Wintersun's Jari Mäenpää on Time II Problems

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  1. GunpointMetal

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    This website need a "haha" react like FB just for this thread.
    64GB of RAM is plenty for a PRO user in 99.9% of all audio-only situations. It should be enough in most heavy synth instrument situations. If he's blowing out his computer doing audio-only stuff, he's doing it wrong, or his hardware is actually broken, or he's just saying stuff so people quit asking when he's gonna actually show them something.
     
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    Are you?

    Every time somebody explains to you in a great detail (to my understanding some of these people here are professionals?) why it doesn't go the way Jari tells you, and you run out of valid arguments, you just idle for two pages and then start with your bs all over again.
     
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    Yeah it can get heavy but it's doable and has been for a long time if you do it smart. Even if you consider running everything live a necessity which I understand and also do , there's ways to do it well and the bad ways will literally require more than 10x as much power. There's no way his needs are any more than Hollywood composers have been doing for the last however long. If new hardware is absolutely necessary it can easily be done for 2k. RAM is not nearly as necessary for heavy sample work nowadays either with SDDs now being affordable - but if you have 64GB you shouldn't be having trouble anyway unless your patch organisation isn't smart.
    Hell I've had a capable setup myself for over a decade and have nothing to show for it either - the problem is me not the machine :lol:
     
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    It's more than enough. He doesn't need 64gb. I've seen all of one situation in my life where 64 could barely cut it - and it was a very extreme case (had to do with big budget media creation). Memory is NOT the bottleneck here. Work ethic and ego are the bottleneck here.
     
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    This is the correct answer.

    I just did a test on my old XPS 9550 laptop from 2016 (16bgb ram, i7 skylake) and I had more than 200 tracks of audio of various sample rates playing back without any stutters in my DAW (Reaper, sold Cubase so I cant test that).

    Performance meter showing 813mb of ram use by the project. CPU was hovering between 3%-6% load.

    This was on asio4all with a low buffer size.

    If a new 16 core mac pro were to go at 90% load I'd imagine there would need to be literally thousands (or tens of thousands) of tracks per project and several projects open simultaneously.
     
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    It's probably the 86 open Pornhub tabs in Chrome running in the background, lol.
     
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    I should mention during the test I was also running a second display via hdmi with 8 chrome tabs open. And I was doing it on battery, not plugged in lol.
     
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    So that's why the next album is taking so long...
     
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    Gives a whole new meaning to the term "blast beat".
     
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    The difference is most likely that Jari's running everything as midi into VST synths, so if he's running 200 instances of some heavy plugins you can imagine his CPU peaking. But that's a user error anyway, all he'd need to do would be to bounce all the midi stuff into audio and the project would run just fine...
     
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    Only audio files, appareantly.
     
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    p0ke 7-string guitard

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    Well, in that case something must be severely wrong with his setup...
     
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    SamSam GAS problems

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    ...or severely wrong with him :lol:
     
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    WTF LOL
    I thought he was running like 300 instances of instrument plugins at the same time, wtf is he doing that his MAC PRO is struggling with audio files?!
     
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    Nope, he claims that it's just audio, no vst plugins, no VSTI instruments. Dude's just a grifter.
     
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    Christ - that's exponentially more hilarious :lol:
     
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    To be fair, Cubase 10.5 is known to run like dogshit whether you run Windows or Mac. Cubase 10 in general was just a pretty weird release for anyone running Windows 10 or anything higher than OSX 10.14 (Mojave). It has known compatibility issues with Windows 10 and Mac users who upgraded to Catalina in 2019 started running into problems too. Not everyone ran into problems. I was running Artist 10 just fine when Windows 10 came out. The users who experienced issues were a small percentage, but Steinberg did acknowledge the compatibility issues... They just never bothered to fix them.
     
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    Seems Steinberg did some sort of fixing update in the end of last year, but still people keep having issues with performance. And Steinberg's support siten can't really suggest anything than usual optimization settings for audio production.

    It's not a Jari issue, it's a software issue. Being a professional isn't an argument either, because you really don't know what is going on. I haven't seen great detail about it here.
     
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    Well, you know... to be fair, there's one or two other DAW's he could use instead if Cubase is actually the problem. Learning to use a different DAW isn't that much of a deal and totally worth a bit of a learning curve if it actually solves the problem. But I guess Jari would need a computer support person for that as well?

    Not that I'd care, I'm just eating popcorn and enjoying the show here :lol: And if/when they release new music, I'll probably like it and buy it regardless of Jari's excuses.
     
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