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Discussion in 'Standard Guitars' started by olsonuf, Aug 17, 2012.
Because the ToM makes up 80% of an LP's tone.
Completing the octave wasn't so much the point w/ my analogy to the keyboard, just the wider range. On a guitar that extra whole step at least gives us 4 octaves from Low E to the E at the 24th fret on the 1st string. Every little bit counts.
Well put. It's just frustrating that the 50s are just about the last time they did something innovative and today's market is so flooded with a million replicas of the same 60-year-old specs.
LP's are OLD MAN GUITARS. Might as well hang it up in the den next to your Cold-War era musket, and your cholesterol medications.
I fucking said it. And Im not taking it back. I do apologize in advance to my grandfather if he is reading this. Which he isn't, because old people can't use computers.
I never faff around that high up the neck anyway. For me LP's are the nuts when it comes to drop tuned riff's. Sound so thick and dark. Floyd's should go back to the 80s where they came from. I know it was invented in the late 70's so dont try that one on me
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Gibson releast 22-fret fixed bridge LPs cause they have always done so and people buy that, so they don't feel the need to try new models. Companies like ESP just ripped off from Gibson so they build with the same specs... that being said, both Gibson and ESP build 24-fretted LPs and Floyded LPs, I don't think they do both at the same time (maybe an LTD)
Satch is one of them, that is why he used a rail neck on his first 24 fret guitar.
Let's not forget that 24 frets on Les Pauls look like crap
By that logic, Strats and Teles are also "OLD MAN GUITARS", and yet all three of them are still desired by players of all ages. Hell even the most well know players of this generation still want their signature axes based on these old man instruments.
But hey, that's just you know, my opinion man.
EDIT: Also, the Les Paul's sound (as a result of it's construction) is what makes the instrument so desirable to begin with. The 24.75 scale, the warmth of the neck humbucker with 22 frets, it's heavy as a log body, bridge, and other factors, all of that add to that iconic sound that's heard on the great albums. To change a lot of those will compromise the sound and most players don't want that. But speaking for myself, I like 24 frets and love locking trems so I don't mind a bit of blasphemy here and there.
Also Les Pauls look best when slung low. They look weird on chest rockers...
Well, this is the internet after all. No one is entitled to their own opinion.
And by SSO standards you have now committed one of the worst forms of heresy
I've never followed any forum standards, plus I bought 2 of the new Ibanez X shapes. No turning back.
You're hardcore man
I usually don't tempt fate in more than hating djent and having my guitar low
Tell that to all the players who insist on a Floyd just to block them for maximum tuning stability.
Or some of us who actually use them.
Plus, Floyds are comfy as fuck, especially when palm muting.
Edit: what you said makes me wonder why they never made a fixed FR. Well, they did, but it was for the speedloader system that no one used except for KK Downing.
And the speedloaders cant be used anymore because no one makes the required strings anymore.
Ibanez made them:
Of course these are only specialised bridges that won't fit anywhere else unless you build a guitar from the ground up that's routed specifically for them.
Which is why I wish FR made something like Kahler did with their 7330, which apparently doesnt require much work to install.
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Because they don't know how to be adventurous, and are making a killing doing the same exact thing they always have done for over 60 years?
Definitely a good analogy though.
You're right, but I really suspect that's because these "old man guitars" are still flooding the market. The first 3 to 6 pages of guitars in any catalog are still filled with strats and LP's, and in any store, there's a wall full of each.
They're a part of history, and they're good guitars, but many breakthroughs and major improvements have been made since those two classics hit the market. It seems Gibson and Fender just stand back with their fossil-guitars and are able to make a killing insisting that "what was good enough in the 50s is still the best."
Yeah, unless you're totally amazing, then it doesn't really matter how you wear your guitar. It makes little sense to spend $3K on a guitar if you're gonna wear it so low that you can't even use decent technique and have to play nothing but power chords on it.