When a metal guitarist writes a Midwestern math rock song... Critique wanted!

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  1. InCasinoOut

    InCasinoOut syncopAZN

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    https://soundcloud.com/incasinoout-1/trvst-issves-midwest

    I actually wrote this a few years ago, but always put off recording it because honestly, I found that dialing in clean and crunch tones for this style is much harder than doing high-gain stuff for me. It's not perfect, but I'm pretty proud of it, especially fitting in a lil shred solo in a genre that is intricate but does not typically have any shred lol. I've had this project idea for a while now, where I've written a lot of stuff rooted in Midwestern math-rock/emo, but with technique and other compositional ideas I've picked up from playing lots of tech-death. I hope to write and record more in this vein, so maybe I'll end up rerecording this down the line as I improve.

    First off, I'm not super convinced that I really like the guitar tones... For the cleans I wanted it really clear and compressed, kinda like this: For the crunch tone I wanted to stick to using the middle pickup selection on my Tele-style Talman, as is math-rock tradition, but really I don't have a lot of experience trying to achieve something like what Dylan from Tiny Moving Parts does. It's also extra tricky dialing in a crunch tone that can clearly ring out hybrid-picked chords in the chorus, but also get tight enough for the little economy picked fills I have sprinkled in there. By the way, I play this song with a thumb pick where I reshaped the point to match a Jazz III, so I can switch between tapping, hybrid picking, and economy picking/other technical metal style stuff.

    Anyway, thanks for checking it out. I didn't do much eq-ing, but I feel like it needs it in areas. That is where I need your help, SSO!
     
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    slan SS.org Regular

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    This is really cool. I think the clean tone is good, but the tapped notes on the low strings are a little boomy. Maybe cut some lower frequencies or try a multiband compressor?
     
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    I agree with slan the bass note in the cleans is pretty boomy. I think a multipressor would work really well there to take those resonant notes down a bit but also keep the body of the other notes. The low end could use some work when the distorted guitar kick in. I can't really hear the kick drum. Taking down the volume of the guitars a bit to match the bass more should help with the low end but really make sure you're carving out eq spots for each instrument.
     
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    Thanks guys, I really appreciate you both listening and giving great advice! I eq'd and rebalanced the volume on everything, and I can't believe how much of that boominess was coming from below 100hz. I mean, I eq all my high-gain recordings according to all the stuff I've learned over time, but I guess I thought clean guitars needed a bit more of those same frequencies to stay thick. Now, I've never used a multi-band compressor before, would I apply that to the clean guitars? I've had problems before with getting the kick drum to come through clearly, especially as it fights for the same space as the bass. I've heard about people using side-chain compression before for that application but haven't tried it myself. Would that be useable here?

    Here's version 2. I've tested it on plenty of speaker systems over the past couple days and it's definitely a big improvement.

    https://soundcloud.com/incasinoout-1/trvst-issves-midwest-1
     
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    DudeManBrother Hey...how did everybody get in my room?

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    Sounds like the compressor(s) is killing the kick drum. What are you using on your Kick bus? If you’re using an 1176 style FET compressor, than back the threshold way off to simply keep the transients under control. Something slower like an LA2A (optical comp) will skip the transient and fatten the tone up. The 2 can be used in series to keep everything under control. You could run an SSL style (VCA Comp) on the whole drum bus to glue it all together with a 4:1 ratio and light gain reduction.
     
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    Dude I LOVE it!
     
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    As soon as it started I started nodding and tapping my foot. Then my roommate looked over from across the room and said “that sounds good.”
     

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