US Political Discussion: Trump Administration Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. Ralyks

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    Mehta sided with the House Oversight and Reform committee in regards to Mazars handing over Trumps financials. So that's finally coming... Right?
     
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    They'll appeal.
     
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    100%. The main thing was that Mehta didn't grant put a hold on the order PENDING appeal, so the appeals court is going to have to move quickly if they're going to block this.
     
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    Not to derail, just a side-thought; I can't help but wonder if all the sleaziness around Trump is so easily ignored by the religious extremists within his base simply because they are finally gaining ground in controlling women's bodily autonomy. Perhaps worth another thread, as I see this going in a pretty dark direction for the States, and I worry about the implications in other western nations, that so far have had pretty strong legal, constitutional safeguards against theological and populist overreach.
     
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    It's extremists on all ends, not just the religious.

    He's the GOP's perfect President. He's who they've always wanted to be in that seat, but were just too afraid to run till now.
     
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    What's the likelihood of success in appealing?
     
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    I mean, this is going to the Supreme Court, even if the order is followed before it can be appealed that far. There? Eh... I'd hazard Roberts won't love being the swing vote on a decision that essentially sets the precedent the Presidency is free from the supervisory powers of the House and Senate, and when push comes to shove the current ruling will stand, even if by a 5-4 vote. I'd say that with a moderate but not extreme level of confidence. I wouldn't go so far as to call this a hail mary on the part of the Trump administration, but it's unquestionably stalling for time and hoping they can delay anything embarrassing or incriminating coming out long enough to continue to call this a witch hunt coming into the 2020 election.

    The rationale is pretty bulletproof, though - how can Congress possibly have Constitutional authority to investigate wronging in the executive branch, without also having the authority to gather information for those investigations?
     
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    Remember when US politics threads were mostly complaints about policy and not just treason?
     
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    While I don't agree with the concept, if it saves money vs paying for emergency services and births anyway (which CA does anyway)...then there's at least a perspective (as short-sighted as it is) that has at least some baseline thinking behind it.
     
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    I suppose if you wanted to look at it that way then yeah it makes sense, but its still just a cart before the horse/bandaid on the problem
     
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    I remember some, but only running up to the 2008 election and maybe extending though his first year in office. His general ineffectiveness soured people pretty quickly after that.
     
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    I think even Obama's staunchest supporters were quick to point out issues they had with him - I was broadly positive on the guy, but found his hands-off approach to the drafting of the ACA (rather than taking an active role working within the party to shape a compromise) followed by his aggressive use of executive power once Congress flipped a little concerning.

    Re: California, if extending access to health coverage to undocumented immigrants results in a lesser economic burden to California taxpayers than waiting to absorb cost of care at (primarily public) hospitals as well as the cost from lower productivity from lost time out of work to illness or injury - remember that hospitals are not able to turn away people who require care regardless of if they have coverage or any means to pay - then the right thing for congressional representatives to do with respect to citizens of the Republic of California is to extend coverage. That's true regardless of what your personal beliefs are with respect to immigration - if it saves taxpayers money, not doing it is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    You legitimately may not know this, but "globalists" is a pretty naked dog-whistle for "Jews" among the white nationalism movement.
     
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    I think what you are trying to assume is that anyone who is aginst globalism is a "white, nationalist", and anyone who is a "white, nationalist", thinks that jews run the world. Is that correct?

    Im not sure where you are getting that from or what you're basing that on but there's idiots on all sides regardless if your non-point makes any sense or not. Btw, I'm not calling you an idiot
     
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    Again, single payer healthcare isn't some abstract concept outside of reality.

    It's something offered in almost three dozen countries already. That includes just about all the developed world.

    We don't need to speculate. We've seen, in the real world, that it works.

    We actually have fewer doctors per capita than countries with single payer: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...ople-comparably-wealthy-countries/#item-start
     
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    Who has seen it that it works? Also, its not 2012 anymore. If it works thats great, I dont want that system though. I want the current system we have, it just needs to somehow be made more affordable, not at the expense of everyone else
     
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  19. Ralyks

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    Given what I've seen with my immediate family all being in healthcare, good luck with that. My father runs his own practice and he's lucky if he even gets paid on time. The current health Care system is in shambles.
     
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    I agree it is. Still I dont want universal healthcare. To each their own....ironically, it wont be "to each their own" with socialized healthcare. It'll be "to each to the whole community", like it or not. :lol:
     

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