US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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I don't think you know what universal means
Yes I do, it's what Obama wanted but didn't do. Again, the unions are exempt, the corporations are exempt, town, state and federal workers are exempt. My taxes go up to support the benefits of public unions, but their tax dollars don't support the ACA that I am on. It's supported only by those that pay into it, which in this case is the working class. The low class get the ACA for free and the middle and high class don't need the help. We're Capitalist remember? Except we have an un-Constitutional fine if you're not insured.
 

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Mishandled covid, geopolitical destabilization, infiltration by or corrupt ties to Russian agents, and an 18th century overpowered mistake called a Supreme Court (which here and now isn't actually a court *at all*, but rather a committee with lifetime appointments and infinite power to dismantle laws and government bodies) packed with radicals....


What ever gave you the idea that Republicans might have anything to do with any of that?
That's the tip of the iceberg compared to Biden's mis-steps
 

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That's why, honestly, I hope Liz Cheney loses this November so she runs for president in 2024. I don't like her policies but there is ZERO chance any dem can win the presidency. We are look at either an incompetent autocrat like Trump or a scary competent one like DeSantis and I for one want Cheney to appeal not normal people and use her scalpel to slice out this cancer in the republican party once and for all.

But as far as the "supreme" court goes....we're fucked

On a personal note...every single 4th of July since I was a kid I watched the musical "1776" with my parents and then as an adult with my kids. Never skipped a year. It was tradition. It is an awesome movie with fabulous dialog and great music. I haven't watched it since Trump was elected...or Biden. I stopped watching it. America is so fucked it has robbed me of my enjoyment of this simple guilty pleasure
Not one conservative would vote for her. She'll never get the nomination. Nor Romney
 

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Yes I do, it's what Obama wanted but didn't do. Again, the unions are exempt, the corporations are exempt, town, state and federal workers are exempt. My taxes go up to support the benefits of public unions, but their tax dollars don't support the ACA that I am on. It's supported only by those that pay into it, which in this case is the working class. The low class get the ACA for free and the middle and high class don't need the help. We're Capitalist remember? Except we have an un-Constitutional fine if you're not insured.
The constitution said you couldn't fine people for not having health insurance? Those guys really did think of everything (except voting rights for women/black people).
 

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That's the tip of the iceberg compared to Biden's mis-steps

If you mean not arresting Mr. Rump and his family & co-conspirators or not dropping a SEAL Team or drone strike on Mr. Putler, I agree

...but I somehow doubt that's what you mean
 

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If you mean not arresting Mr. Rump and his family & co-conspirators or not dropping a SEAL Team or drone strike on Mr. Putler, I agree

...but I somehow doubt that's what you mean
I'm not a Trump fan but at least the guy can stay awake past 7 PM
 

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The constitution said you couldn't fine people for not having health insurance? Those guys really did think of everything (except voting rights for women/black people).
It was a Socialist President over stepping his authority by imposing $1200 fines on those that exercised Freedom of Choice. And that RINO Justice Roberts voted against the people so Obama could have his legacy. When I become President someday I'm going to impose $1250 fines on anyone that doesn't buy a gun.
 

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And we care WHY? Because you have nothing to entertain you on twitter after 7pm EST?
Biden's gaffes during the day are enough to hold me over until the next day. I just hope he's not needed to make an important decision after 7, but I'm guessing they have a pre made cheat sheet of what he Would say.
 

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Biden's gaffes during the day are enough to hold me over until the next day. I just hope he's not needed to make an important decision after 7, but I'm guessing they have a pre made cheat sheet of what he Would say.
You say these things as if anyone on the left actually think Biden is a good guy or wanted to vote for him.
 

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Biden's gaffes during the day are enough to hold me over until the next day. I just hope he's not needed to make an important decision after 7, but I'm guessing they have a pre made cheat sheet of what he Would say.

What kind of tribal-authoritarian tv show world are you living in?

Presidents don't make split second decisions. Or same day decisions. Or usually even same-month decisions.

He's not fucking Ragnar Lothbrok. And he's not supposed to be.

It's 2022. Not 1022 AD or 22 BC.
 

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Biden is doing fucking horrible but let's continue to attack Republicans, yeah it's all their fault.
Well, the GOP created a lot of problems during Trump’s term and have mostly blocked Biden from being able to do anything, so…


You can't even acknowledge the short comings of your own party and expect your voters to march in lockstep anyway.
This is true of both parties, though, not just dems.


Yes I do, it's what Obama wanted but didn't do. Again, the unions are exempt, the corporations are exempt, town, state and federal workers are exempt. My taxes go up to support the benefits of public unions, but their tax dollars don't support the ACA that I am on. It's supported only by those that pay into it, which in this case is the working class. The low class get the ACA for free and the middle and high class don't need the help. We're Capitalist remember? Except we have an un-Constitutional fine if you're not insured.
That’s not universal health care. That was a half-assed, watered down version to get it through a republican controlled congress.

If you want to see how a proper universal healthcare system works, look to Europe. The various countries have different systems, some better than others, but they all seem to work better than what we have here (except for the rich).


That's the tip of the iceberg compared to Biden's mis-steps
Biden hasn’t been particularly effective, but from where I sit its due to a combination of ineffectiveness and lacking a supermajority in the senate. What are the missteps to which you refer?


Not one conservative would vote for her. She'll never get the nomination. Nor Romney
She’s the epitome of conservative. The folks that won’t vote for her aren’t the conservatives, its the crazy, far right Trumpers.


Biden's gaffes during the day are enough to hold me over until the next day. I just hope he's not needed to make an important decision after 7, but I'm guessing they have a pre made cheat sheet of what he Would say.
No one voted for Biden or thought he would be a great president, they voted against Trump because he was the worst president in US history and anyone would be an improvement, even Biden. And they made the right call. But there is still plenty of room for improvement.
 

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I honestly think that if we had Bernie as president, you’d be happy, AMOS. I agree that Obama gave us a health care system that no one wanted. (I DO agree that healthcare should be mandatory, because it’s not fair to the rest of us to cover their bills, because hospitals are still going to treat them. But he should have gone fully for Medicare for all, like all of the other first world countries.) I agree that Biden isn’t doing a damn thing. I disagree that we have the senate, though. Manchin is blocking a lot of stuff that would help the average citizen.

But if we had Bernie, the middle class would be immensely helped. He’s not taking money from corps, like the gop and dems. (You might say, “he has some fancy houses!” but stop listening to the dems and gop, and actually read his plans. They’re just the kind of thing we all actually want.)

One thing I’m damn sure is that the trump republicans are not going to result in a higher standard of living for any of us. The trumpets are ruining the gop, and it’s going to take people will serious balls to quit cowering in the corner and stand up to him. Cheney and Romney might not have the votes of the Maga group, but at least they believe in something other than keeping their job by kowtowing to trump.
 

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It was a Socialist President over stepping his authority by imposing $1200 fines on those that exercised Freedom of Choice. And that RINO Justice Roberts voted against the people so Obama could have his legacy. When I become President someday I'm going to impose $1250 fines on anyone that doesn't buy a gun.

Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

Now you have been educated, and are able understand the error of using that word.
 

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FYI, Obamacare is a goddamn abomination of the state gifting a mandate to pay a clique of private companies or face fines.

It should be investigated for the corrupt conspiracy to defraud the public that it is.

What it is NOT, however, is:
* NOT socialism
* NOT universal healthcare
* NOT HEALTHCARE AT ALL, if you select most of the available plans (Golds are sorta-healthcare and Platinums approach some semblance of genuine coverage)
 

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Not one conservative would vote for her. She'll never get the nomination. Nor Romney
Not the "conservatives" you mean....the ones who sit outside abortion clinics or child molesting pizza parlors polishing their AR15's in case Clarence Thomas is sitting on the toilet and can't activate the Jewish space cannons in time to prevent fetal harm....but "normal" people who value an American president who won't be Putin's performing monkey or spend 18 hours a day on Twitter will see some value in her. I don't agree with her politics but I agree strongly with her most valuable asset....competency.
 


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