That makes a lot of sense. I didn't know you were taking additional classes at Trump U besides Fascism 101 and Advanced Fluffing 301...No, that was a proverbial middle-finger to the EPA.
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You're just across the corner of a lake from a state where residents were being poisoned by municipal water.
I think the deeper implication is the evoking of the non-delegation principle. But maybe it'll lead to nothing (keep in mind, though, that the last ~500 times I said "maybe it'll lead to nothing, it ended up leading to something).
I guess they don't teach at Trump U that the EPA was actually initially chartered by a Republican administration (Nixon).
Trumpers aren't Nixon Republicans. They aren't Republicans at all.
I can't wait to read the majority opinion and dissent tonight. It's interesting for sure.
What is going to be interesting to study from the opinion is if agencies can't make up laws through regulations, what will happen to the ATF (another agency comprised of non-elected officials). There are thousands of gun "laws" in this country that are not laws at all. I will make a bag of popcorn before I start reading this dandy.
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And evidently, no one home, despite the lights being on.No, that was a proverbial middle-finger to the EPA.
My truck-my choice. Let diesels breathe. No EGR, No DPF, No CATs, No DEF!
The decision limited, but did not entirely prevent, the EPA's ability to regulate carbon dioxide emissions at power plants. Didn't do a thing to the agency's ability to regulate automobile emissions.
StevenC
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I have several questions but you won't answer them if history is anything to go by.
To be fair, the truck was never his choice. It's his mom's car and he has to ask for the keys and his allowance when he wants to go to the McDonalds for nuggets.
Xaios
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Republicans are currently defined as whoever is anti-democrat, essentially. Some are moderate (more than usual) conservative Christians who want prayer back in schools and who wanted the band on abortions, and they got their way now that Trump's SCotUS appointees reversed both of those in just the past few days.
Then there are the gun republicans who just want relaxed gun laws (which they never got, since, as I've pointed out to them several times already, Trump's executive branch prosecuted more gun laws and wrote more restrictive gun policies than any other president ever).
Then there were the ones who just want to undo affirmative action and other social-racial policies. Then there were the ones who really wanted to see gay people be punished like it was the 15th century again. Then there were the ones who really wanted big businesses to go unregulated.
The only thing they all have in common is regression on policies. I mean literally regressive as in, their position is "everything is f*cked because these policies were all wrong and we need to set it back the way it was before."
That's really the only thing Republicans have holding them together anymore.
When Nixon was in power, they had a good chance at being the majority. But nowadays, well, Dubya lost the popular vote, Trump lost the popular vote by a large margin... it kind of suggests that the GOP just doesn't hold the popular power anymore. The only way they get their guys elected is through technicalities. And they've really embraced that. But anyway, being a perpetual minority, they don't have the political power anymore to afford making a platform with different line items. It just has to be this way, where they just copy off of the Democrats' test, but put the opposite answer down for each thing.
He's not answering you, because [your choice]:
a) He feels everyone is ganging up on him.
b) There's not time to answer each comment.
c) Too busy "owning the libs" to have time to respond.
d) Doesn't have a good answer, but doesn't want to admit it.
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I honestly can't see the difference between someone who thinks a truck that purposely shoots out black soot into the air is cool and sticking it to the EPA and someone who never flushes a toilet in their own house. You do realize you breath that toxic air too right? It doesn't just seek out lib lungs.
SpaceDock
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Actually fairly appropriate. Squidding is what they call this. IE when something with no backbone is blasting a bunch of junk out it’s ass to make a distraction so it can run away.
wheresthefbomb
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Hollowway
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But don't you worry that if there are no regulations that the individual people will be screwed over? That's my fear. I am very much into personal rights, and live and let live. And, again, it seems to me both sides keep trying to legislate stuff that dictates what we can and cannot do. If there is no one overseeing big companies dumping crap into rivers, or doing a Flint Michigan thing to our water, who is going to protect us? I get that it's your truck, so it's your choice. But if the government doesn't push companies to get better fuel economy, and better fuel, are you comfortable filling up your truck for 8 miles to the gallon with fuel that will kill your engine in 50,000 miles?No, that was a proverbial middle-finger to the EPA.
My truck-my choice. Let diesels breathe. No EGR, No DPF, No CATs, No DEF!
Often, people say that the market will sort this out. But, that only matters if the market is able to operate, and if big companies can sue little companies out of existence, or if they can use the government to squash little companies, we'll always have these monopolies, and never the polypolies needed to allow market forces to work. I'm not saying that a government with oversight can run things best. But I AM saying that a government withOUT oversight can't run things at all. It's actually worse than no government at all, because you have all the crooked politicians taking lobbyist money to screw up the free market and keep the status quo for the biggest companies.
The other thing is that we have numerous real world examples of how government with oversight and protections of the individual have resulted in better living conditions for the whole of the nation. And we have numerous real world examples of hour government designed to NOT protect the individual have resulted in poorer living conditions for the whole of the nation. So it's not like it's an academic argument. We have very clear paths that we can go down. And it's clear that these recent changes by SCOTUS, and what Trump and some of the right-leaning GOP want, is not the path to a better life for the average American.
Hollowway
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Also, I think it's cool that you're in here discussing this stuff. I would like to hear more of your thinking on these topics, because I have trouble trying to talk about this stuff with the conservative people I know, because they just get mad, and say a few "I owned the lib" things, and disengage. I try to read about why people vote GOP these days (when it seems to be against their individual interests) but it's really hard to actually talk with someone to try to understand it.
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No, that was a proverbial middle-finger to the EPA.
My truck-my choice. Let diesels breathe. No EGR, No DPF, No CATs, No DEF!
Very partial agree on the DPF part
That's not a filter that's a "burn large soot into micro/nanosoot" device. Not because it's cleaner (FUCK NO it isn't, and the nano stuff actually gets through your skin), but simply because only specific large sizes of soot are regulated.
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No, that was a proverbial middle-finger to the EPA.
My truck-my choice. Let diesels breathe. No EGR, No DPF, No CATs, No DEF!
Jeremiah 2:7
I brought you into a bountiful country,
To eat its fruit and its goodness.
But when you entered, you defiled My land
And made My heritage an abomination.
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