US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. bostjan

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    Cruz is a nut and a moron.

    However, this issue is consistent with whatever tea party general philosophy he has. The libertarians have always been attracted to BTC as a way to buck the government out of their personal transactions and whatnot. If you recall the connection between libertarianism and drug legalization as well as the connect between BTC and drug deals, then you might be able to bridge the gap and see why libertarianism is loosely connected to BTC.

    Personally, I say "good." Why? Because, honestly, the government doesn't need to be all up in people's personal finances. Tax the corporations. Personal income tax was supposed to be a temporary tax to relieve the debt from the Civil War, and then it came back again to relieve the debt from WWI and never went away. Well, WWI ended over a hundred years ago, so, isn't it weird that we are still paying for it?! And the war on drugs was the stupidest thing since the Vietnam War, so, I'm not condoning drug use, by any means, but if people do drugs, it means they need help, not punishment. The use of BTC to purchase drugs is morally bad, but the use of BTC in general is okay with me.

    Anyway, I seldom agree with Cruz, and, in this case, even though I like BTC, Cruz is once again wrong in his line of thinking. Bitcoin mining uses a ton of electricity (duh), and, it uses a ton of silicon chips. If you want to be successful doing it, you need the fastest processors and the cheapest electricity. So, during one of the worst IC shortages in history and a power grid crisis, this plan makes about as much sense as using a .44 magnum to relieve a headache.
     
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    Yeah, I wasn't arguing philosophically for or against Bitcoin in general. I mess with it like I mess with $20 here or there at a casino. I've made a few hundred bucks by following the trends with it and other crypto but would never sink real money in it.

    That said, your last paragraph there was my argument. As a techie hearing that Bitcoin mining will solve an energy crisis is so antithetical to reality that I can't even really cook up a decent analogy myself. Though that comment you have there is a pretty decent one.

    The current chip shortage, where we can't even get enough silicon popping to keep auto-dealers stocked, and forget about the hard horsepower driven shit that the miners use. It's almost impossible to buy new generation GPUs and ICUs and has been for the better part of the last couple years due to BTC mining.

    I'd love to see him get roasted over this stupidity, but he always seems to weasel his way out of his bullshit.
     
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    Political armor. Every republican has it. The only weapon that defeats it is being publicly considered a RINO, but, ironically, the more batshit you are, the less likely that will ever happen.
     
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    I don't know what night you were thinking of, but when I went to bed on election night, it looked like Biden would probably pull it out but it was far from decided and Trump was clearly going to do everything he could to block that outcome, and the House and Senate both were very much in play. In the following days and weeks Congress and the presidential vote both drifted a bit bluer and came in at least somewhat close to projections (presidential vote in particular), but I remember it being unclear if Biden would win, much less have control of Congress, even though if I had to bet I would have said he'd probably pull off all three.

    All that said - one of the many things I do at work is write our macro commentary, and my big election takeaway in our monthly peice and in client calls for the next month or two was that however progressive Biden's agenda was, it was bound by whatever Manchin would support with a 50-vote Senate majority, and the progressive caucus in the House was going to cause him a lot of trouble if he tried to moderate any. Sinema was actually kind of a surprise as she was much more progressive within AZ before, but honestly I've been surprised Biden has been able to do as much as he has with the Congress he was given - I was sure the initial stimulus bill would shrink, but it passed more or less as he proposed, at least with respect to size (a minimum wage hike wasn't going to survice parliamentarian scrutiny for reconcilliation anyway).
     
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    A touch of hubris for Mancin and Sinema realizing 80 million voted for Biden so maybe realize you aren't the main character in DC.
     
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    Funny thing. I read about this a few months back. The power companies. PAY THE CRYPTO MINERS for downtime when they need them to shut off, either that or grossly subsidize the rates at other times. It's disgusting.
     
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    y the fuck would anyone with a brain mine in Texas
     
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    It's the perfect place. It's not like the power ever goes out there. They don't really have problems with hurricanes or tornadoes or mass shootings or George Strait's exes...

    Oh wait...
     
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    Americans see a hot desert -

    this seems like a great place to do everything.
     
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    Eh, yes, but Biden ran to represent all of America, and all of America voted for him. Manchin and Sinema ran to represent West Virginia and Arizona, respectively, and only their states voted to elect them. They're not answerable to all of America - they're answerable to their direct constituents, and without actually going and checking, I'd be reasonably comfortable wagering that Sinema's margin in Arizona, as a percentage of the electorate (to normalize for off-Presidential vs Presidential cycles) was bigger than Biden's ultra-slim margin there (hell, probably her nominal margin too for that matter), and considering Biden lost West Virginia, by nearly 40 percentage points, Manchin's margin there was quite a bit stronger.

    Sinema's situation is interesting because she won a cycle before the election at a time when Democrats didn't win in AZ, and in 2020 another Democrat who's more reliably liberal than she is also carried the Senate seat. I think she's plausibly at risk of being primaried in 2024 from the left. Manchin, though, is almost certainly as liberal as we're going to get out of West Virginia, and frankly the most remarkable thing is he hasn't lost to a Republican given how red his state is, and not how centrist he is. When he loses, it's going to be a LONG time before we see another Democratic Senator from West Virginia.
     
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    In other news, it's looking reasonably good for a $1.5-2T compromise on the Build Back Better Act to clear the Senate. TBD if the House progressive caucus accepts it, of course, but if they don't, it's very likely the best package that can pass the Senate with 50+1 votes, so that would likely kill both infrastructure bills.
     
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    The thing I can't wrap my mind around with Sinema is the fact she can't articulate . . . well, shit, anything. When asked direct questions her answers are either attempts at humor or complete deflections.

    "What do you want?"

    "Well, right now I want coffee."

    "Where are you at with $bill."

    "Well, right now I'm by the elevator."

    I mean, for fuck sake, if you're going to obstruct your party's platform, at least have a platform of your own you can speak to. At this point she is coming across like a less articulate Mitch McConnel. At least he pretends he has reasons for his obstruction.
     
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    well tell him don't let the door hit him on the way out.
     
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    Some might argue that Marchin is attempting to do the will of his constituents, but this smacks of a cry for attention, which nine times out of ten he and Sinema both seem to be all about. "PAY ATTENTION TO ME! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"

    LOL, no. Go away. Have fun with your "independence" you prick.
     
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    I guess the job of the Senator is to represent the interests of the State. Obviously West Virginia would not benefit from the Federal Government paying through expensive programs to create more jobs, ensure that workers have health coverage, crumbling roads get fixed, or that low income families pay less in taxes at the expense of big corporations.

    Obviously, West Virginia doesn't have unemployed people, occupational hazards, dangerous mountain roads, or poor people. ...So, I mean, he's merely representing the best interests of the people he was elected to serve. Right?
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ong-its-time-to-move-on/ar-AAPNkrC?li=BBnb7Kz

    Bitch are you really this effing dumb?!

    Yes because after the beer haul putsch it was time to move on...nothing that funny little man from Austria would do later could come back to haunt civilization as we know it. Well we have our own funny little man from...New York I think who won't let the election go....but we have to? There should be no consequences for TRYING to over throw democracy....only if you are successful....but then it's too late. After all I don't hear anything negative going on with regards to further erosion of democracy so lets stay singularly focused on the price of gas. That is the problem with republicans. When it's convenient to their messaging they forget the concept of multitasking. I wish I knew this was a thing back in college. When I was taking 18 units a semester and raising a child I should have just told my professors to get off my back about thesis papers..I have to remain singularly focused on the price of gas and baby food and asking me to think about what they are teaching is a distraction that no human can endure. I promise as soon as fluctuations in gas and food prices is no longer a thing (isn't that the essence of FREE MARKET?) I will get busy on the other trifling matters.

    Oh and fuck Manchin and Sinema
     
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    WTF does she even mean by "time to move on?" Like, just forget about the fact that her party's leader influenced a crowd to break into the Capitol and try to kidnap/murder government leaders and actually succeeded in causing a handful of deaths, including a police officer?!
     
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    Republicans gonna Republican. "Sure we tried to overthrow a legal election by violence. But you know, that happens. Let's move on."
     
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