US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. Crungy

    Crungy SS.org Regular

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    @USMarine75 thank you for your last two paragraphs. It's so stupid to hear people attempt to demonize the left, and for what? Because they stand for things that are actually decent and important to people, like their rights?

    That's what I don't get about anyone that voted/supported/still has a boner for trump. How could anyone think he was doing anything to help anyone but himself and his cronies? (like my new neighbors that just moved in and put up a Trump 2020 sign)
     
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    Exactly! I mean, the Dems are hardly a left-wing party, but they at least campaign on just principles that benefit the majority of Americans (even if they only occasionally follow through). But it is just bizarre to me that such a huge contingent of people can look at what Trump has done to the States, the normalization of autocracy, the open attacks on democracy, facts and science, the racist characterization of swaths of people, I mean, just the caging of children torn from their parents for the crime of escaping mortal danger was beyond evil.

    And then, when people forcefully react against bigotry, ignorance and hate, it's all about "those democrats, hating us for being conservative, how intolerant!" It just, it makes the mind reel trying to get a handle on that sort of thought process, it's so frikkin' baffling.
     
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    It is very, very, very baffling.

    So..., a few weeks ago, me and one of my co-workers are riding down the street together looking for a place to eat. My co-worker is a die hard Trump supporter. MAGA hat wearing, Trump sign on his lawn, stop the steal believing, and all that. The area we are at has many homeless people standing on the sidewalks, close to stop lights/stop signs holding cardboard signs/money cups asking for help/money. If I'm stopped and a homeless person is nearby, I always give money. And as usual, if someone is riding with me, I always hear, "you know he's/she's just gonna buy alcohol and/or drugs with the money you gave them right?". And I tell whoever is with me, "dude, I don't give a shit if he buys a porn magazine with the money I gave him and starts masturbating on the street in front of everybody. If that's what helps him, so be it. I did my part to help someone.". And so, we're at the stop light and there's a homeless person nearby. I take $3 from my wallet, roll down my window and motion the guy that I'm gonna give the money to him. He gets the money, says, "God bless you" and we ride off. Like clockwork, the co-worker I'm with says, "you know he's gonna buy alcohol and/or drugs with that money right?" So I ask him, "hey, that red hat you own that says MAGA. What does that stand for again?" He says, "Make America great again". I'm like, "DUDE!!! You own a f__king hat that stands for "Make America great again" but you have a problem with me giving money to a fellow American standing on the street who needs money for whatever he needs to make it through the day??? Does making America great again for you exclude giving homeless people money??? What is that shit all about?" So then he says, "Well, him (homeless guy) spending the money on drugs won't help him in any way". Then I'm like, "Dude! You smoke weed and now you're talking shit about other people doing drugs?". Our conversation was a lot longer than what I typed but man, he just kept digging himself deeper and deeper with his replies.

    Like what we both agree on, very, very baffling their ways of thinking. :scratch:
     
  4. Crungy

    Crungy SS.org Regular

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    @Rosal76 gotta love that "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality.
     
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  5. Randy

    Randy The Pusterience™ Super Moderator

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    Capitalism, fuck yeah

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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    I don't know what Van Jones is doing to warrant that, but Jose Andres is a fucking LEGEND.

    Fuck Bezos, but I'm down with WCK getting a payday. It's a shame it's giving him good press.
     
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    Van Jones has also been responsible for mic drop moments in the last two elections during the broadcast about race relations in America. Dude's head is screwed on straight.

    Odd enough headline so I decided to google:

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i...on-award-for-leaders-who-aim-high-11626806557

    Turns out, he's donating money that the "recipients" can direct to charities of their choosing. So, he didn't give the two of them $100 million each; he basically told them each, "Hey, I'm going to donate $100mm in your name, you just tell me where."

    I mean, his ex-wife is still carrying the team in charitable donations, but this is nothing to criticize him for.
     
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  8. MaxOfMetal

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    I think the criticism is in him bestowing a couple hundred million as some righteous gesture while avoiding who knows how much in taxes and spending billions on an interstellar dick measuring contest with other billionaires.

    Like, why not just pay his fair share of taxes? Oh, right, this is about optics.
     
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    Though to be fair that's a separate issue. A couple actually.

    *Amazon should pay taxes. They should, and do, but not often, because they don't often post an operating profit. The only consistently profit generating part of their business is actually Amazon AWS, their cloud business - the US retail operations have only started to be consistently profitable in the last couple years, and international I think is still operating at a loss. The issue, essentially, is that the company is investing at a fast enough rate that items that can be expensed in real time or are amortizing over a fixed life are larger than the narrow operating margins, so from a tax standpoint they're operating at a loss, even if they're generally cashflow positive. This isn't "fancy accounting tricks" or something, this is pretty standard for a "growth" company, Amazon just hasn't slowed down yet.
    *Jeff Bezos should pay taxes. He does - this article, IMO, comes to the wrong conclusion, but he paid $973mm on $4.22b in income, for an effective tax rate of about 23%. ProPublica instead comes to a 0.98% "true tax rate" because his wealth increased $99 billion, but considering most of Bezos' wealth is wrapped up in Amazon stock, most of that increase is in the form of unrealized gains - just like any other American, those gains are untaxed until they're realized, and at that point they're taxed at whatever the difference between sale price and cost basis (which for Bezos will be VERY low) is. That just doesn't happen until the stock is actually sold, and those unrealized gains are realized. ProPublica's analysis here is IMO pretty deceptive.

    I think the two better questions that these two lines of thought point to are:

    1) Is Amazon engaging in anti-competitive behavior, if as a ~20 year old company they're still more often than not posting operating losses for their main operating segment?
    2) The effective 23% tax rate Bezos is paying is actually pretty close to average for the top 1% of income earners in this country, which makes Bezos' tax rate squarely average. Anbd, well, isn't that kind of low, and shouldn't the tax rate itself be moved up?

    But, Bezos paid more in taxes last year than you and I will, combined, over a hundred lifetimes. Amazon pays little to no taxes, but Amazon isn't Bezos, and the company's effective tax rate is actually the thing I find the least concerning about their operations, all things considered.
     
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  10. Randy

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    That's a very interesting interpretation of:

    "Bezos said that Jones and Andres were free to do "what they want" with the money.

    "They can give it all to their own charity," Bezos said at a press conference after his trip to space. "Or they can share the wealth. It is up to them."
     
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    Super gross that the identity of this party is arguing with eachother over what's proper distribution of money from one rich person to another rich person. Yuck I need a shower.
     
  12. thebeesknees22

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    She also accused Fauci of inventing Covid with Wuhan in that same new conference...............................
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    Which is also what Rand Paul was trying to do in that last hearing.

    ..........
    These people are so stupid it makes my head hurt.
     
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  13. Dumple Stilzkin

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    It’s the type of situation that hurts to try and understand but you just can’t look the other way and ignore it because it’s just so absurd.
     
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    I don't know why it is so difficult to understand these politicians and their insane claims. It is all in the fascist playbook.
     
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    Nah, it's one issue: unfettered capitalism/horrible governance has allowed Bezos to become richer than literally everyone else, mostly at the expense of the most vulnerable, and folks acting like he's doing us all a favor by handing out crumbs is grotesque.
     
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    How about that moment when Bezos told his employees that they paid for his space trip? Talk about lack of self awareness......... a Billionaire...telling low wage workers they paid for his stuff.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    It wasn't lack of self awareness or inability to read the room, the dude was gloating.

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  18. Dumple Stilzkin

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    That was pretty damn insulting, the man is completely out of touch with reality. His build his empire off of others suffering.
     
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    ha right? what an ass

    @MaxOfMetal lol hilarious. I need to save that one.
     

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