US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. USMarine75

    USMarine75 Colorless green ideas sleep furiously Contributor

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    Any Libertarians/Republicans in here want to explain why this is a good thing? Perhaps "Trickle Down Economics"? That Jeff Bezos should save as much money in taxes as possible so he can pass that down to his happy workers? Or the Walmart family? That way they definitely won't have a substantial portion of their workers also on government assistance (AKA your taxes subsidize Walmart employees income so the owning family doesnt have to).


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    The argument I always hear is that if we dare to tax one penny of a rich person's money they'll move away and take their ball with them. And all us poor people will be left to fend for ourselves. Then our little red wagons would be fixed but good because we can't possibly survive without the Musks and Bezoses to look up to and keep our economy moving by not paying a fucking dime in taxes.
     
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    Refugees and immigration are both legal. Illegal immigration isn't.
     
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    You have to get here first (unless you're wealthy and/or well connected), which is difficult if you're just "turned back". That's why those posts are contradictory.

    Whatever, it's not worth having the immigration debate again. Some folks think other people are deserving of human dignity...and some don't. Not going to change anyone's mind.
     
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    You're taking her bait in choice of changing verbiage.

    "Refugee and immigrant" were terms applied to people fleeing places like Guatemala because of drought, political violence, etc. The idea was that you escape out of desperation and you're processed at the border. "Come to our border and you'll be turned back" =/= "cross our border and you'll be deported". The rhetoric has shifted to discourage what they were openly encouraging before.
     
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    What should be offered then, maybe Embassy application/approval processes in their home countries? Also is anyone actually shocked at Kamala's stances here?
     
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    The whole concept behind refugee/asylum status is that it's too dangerous to stay in your home country, whether due to collapsed government, paramilitary activity, or state sanctioned violence.

    We already have a system in place, it's just been sabotaged by years of political and ideological malfeasance, be it by reducing the number of judges and clerical staff, making it more difficult to represent those applying, or privatizing thier care to corporations who should not be in charge of peoples' welfare.
     
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    But don't we already have state sanctioned violence against non-whites? Is our state sanctioned violence better than their state sanctioned violence?
     
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    So what you're saying is that folks should be trying to gain asylum abroad?

    Sounds like a Sacha Cohen bit. :lol:
     
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    If we took some of the money we spend on ICE stormtroopers and "walls" and put it towards hiring USCIS workers and lowering the cost (over a thousand USD... That's a lot of pesos) to simply apply for a green card (for a single person), the issue of mass illegal immigration would all but disappear.

    As our system stands, for a family to immigrate to the USA costs on average several thousands of dollars and takes years. And you might still get rejected without any explanation. That's a lot of time and money to gamble.

    It's my hypothesis that our system is designed to encourage illegal immigration so that we can take advantage of illegal labor.
     
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    Damn right it is.
     
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    Yes. And the added bonus is that "officials" can put on a big show about being tough on "illegal" immigration (which they've done everything they possibly can to encourage) and create massive piles of suffering among those our society would really prefer to take advantage of for cheap labor.

    That's a political win-win if I ever saw one.
     
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    So McConnell has flat out said if he becomes Majoirty aleader again after 2022, he'd block Biden naming a SCOTUS. I have a feeling theres going to be pressure on Breyer to retire sooner than later.
     
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    To be clear, he said specifically during the election 2024 election year. But still. Pile of shit in a turtle-shaped, half-deflated balloon, he is.
     
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    He said he Wouldn't rule out blocking in 2023 either.
     
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    If McConnell has the power to block anything democrats do he will do it, and he will do it until the day he dies. If there's one thing he lives for it's the power to control.
     
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    The SCOTUS thing absolutely blows my mind with how brazen republicans were with ramming Amy Coney Barrett in so close to the election. And shame on the democrats for letting them pull that shit both in 2016 and 2020.
     
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    pile of chicken shit dems. they could have blocked that nomination. easily.
     

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