US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by mongey, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. TedEH

    TedEH Cromulent

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    I'm certainly not trying to corner anyone - if you take Ordacleaphobia out of the conversation, the whole GG thing was brought up by the Q documentary, because while I don't think they say it outright, I think they spotted a parallel, or at least a shared origin, given that (as far as I'm aware) both movements have connections to the number-chan websites.

    I'll drop the subject there, if people don't like the topic or how it's going. If anyone really wants to convince me I've got the whole thing wrong, we can make a new thread to argue it out, or you can DM or if nobody cares than nobody cares and we can go back to arguing about something else. :lol:
     
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    And, for emphasis, not the opposite set of values, so much as literally opposition to the Democrats' set. It's barely even a platform.

    In this thread, sure. In the broader GamerGate controversy? That was 100% happening, and even the more moderate voices were extremely misogynistic. It seems like maybe an arbitrary distinction to you, maybe, and I'm not saying people here are, but misogeny is pretty clearly a feature, not a bug, of the whole GamerGate backlash.

    As you open with, you're still learning a lot about politics as a whole. There's no new "rise" of "fiscally conservative/socially liberal," that's been a popular position to claim for coastal elites for decades now who want to at least feign a certain amount of free thinking and independence. Hell, 20 years ago, I'd probably have said the same. If anything I think you've got the cart before the horse here, and the fact it seems like everyone I know under 30 is a socialist these days is because they see all these "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" people and feel like not only have they not done jack shit to help them, but furthermore that there's an economic element to a lot of so called "social" issues, and we're not going to do much against police brutality against Black Americans until they're allowed to have the same economic opportunities as White America, so that they're not getting arrested for selling black market cigarettes to help make ends meet and getting choked to death when they are.

    I don't agree with them... but it's not like I can entirely blame them, either.
     
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    High Plains Drifter ... drifting...

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    Ruh-roh...

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/28/federal-agents-raid-rudy-giulianis-nyc-apartment/

    "Federal authorities in Manhattan raided the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday as part of a criminal probe into the former mayor’s dealings in Ukraine, a report said.

    The investigators confiscated Giuliani’s electronic devices as part of a search warrant, the New York Times reported, citing sources.

    A spokesperson for the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York declined to comment on the reported raid. A call to Giuliani’s cellphone went straight to voicemail Wednesday afternoon.

    The search warrant is an escalation in the feds’ probe of the former mayor, who is being investigated over whether he illegally lobbied former President Donald Trump on behalf of officials and oligarchs in Ukraine, the Times reported."
     
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    nightflameauto SS.org Regular

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    I'm certain this is quite the inappropriate response to this, but my gut is telling me this is worthy of a big hearty, LOL.
     
  7. Xaios

    Xaios Foolish Mortal

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    Please, allow me.

    Ha. Hahaha. Muahaha, HAHAHAHA! BWAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHA!!!
     
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    I would say vampires aren't that stupid, but then I saw "What We Do in the Shadows." He'd fit right in.
     
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    Lol I was going to say exact same thing.
     
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    People still use computers?

    I swear I’ll try to remember the resize image app, since apparently this place is stuck in the past- text walls, tube amps, 2 party system... lol

    @Drew

    I appreciate your comment about being occasionally interesting; it’s far more than can be said for a lot of things nowadays! :lol:
     
  12. USMarine75

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    Did they find Hunter Biden's laptop?

    Remember when that was a thing?

    :lol:
     
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    Family on FB is saying this is Biden trying to steal and hide all of the Hunter Biden evidence.
     
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    So the thing with the Rudy apartment warrant is that there were news stories at least back to 2019 that they were trying to get warrants to seize his phones/equipment and were probably blocked by the whole "you can't investigate a sitting President" thing which extended to the President's lawyer (at least enough that a federal judge wouldn't issue a search warrant). In the meantime, it's not exactly been secret that they have ramped the investigation back up recently, subpoening other lawyers that worked with Guiliani, etc. Anyone who wasn't a complete moron and actually had any incriminating evidence would've taken advantage of the intervening period to clean up and dispose of that incriminating evidence. This is Rudy though, so all bets are off. And to get a search warrant issued, especially one for a lawyer's office/devices, investigators had to have shown a grand jury and federal judge both that they had some amount of evidence that there was a crime committed *and* that there is additional evidence likely to be turned up by the warrant. In other words, that they have good reason to believe that he *still* had incriminating documents/files in his possession.
     
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    tim scott last night: the county is a mess after 4 years of gop leadership... why hasnt biden fixed everything in 100 days???
     
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    I was actually going to ask, where do you all think we sit at 100 days? I'd say I'm fairly good with Biden so far. Far from perfect, but he's gotten shit done and I don't hear from/about him 23 1/2 hours a day.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    I'd say I'm happy overall, but we'll see how it goes. It's far too early and there's way too much going on and just the relief of 45 being gone, so it's hard to say.

    The only thing I haven't been thrilled about is immigration/border policy, but that's a tough nut to crack, and even more so with such a narrow senate margin.
     
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    One of the more charitable critical reads I've seen (which I think makes a lot of sense) is the Biden team came in with a lot of fairly concrete policy plans on foreign policy, environmental policy, (especially) pandemic response, a VERY expansive take on infastructure (he's basically seeking to singlehandedly reverse the gradual move to smaller, more limited government since at least the Reagan days), etc etc etc... but they didn't really have a good handle on how they wanted to handle immigration and border control, so they've basically been winging it and reversing course whenever they seem to be out of step with public opinion (the initial preservation of the Trump-era immigration caps, which they quickly backpedaled on when his base objected, for example).

    Nate Cohen at the NY Times made a pretty salient point recently - for the most part the progressive left see him as sort of a second FDR (there are exceptions of course, but generally they've been happy), while from the right, most of the attacks have centered on him being a "failed revolutionary," aka a moderated. That suggests he's doing a fairly good job bridging the "establishment" and "progressive" wings of the party. And, he's the first president in some time, I guess, to have a failed Congressional nomination (one nominee stepped down, but even then did so immediately and without a protracted fight), and I never in a million years thought his $1.9T stimulus package would come through Congress at essentially the same size he wanted. I thought he had the makings of a decent president, especially in comparison to his immediate predecessor, but so far I think he's done pretty well, and is certainly benefitting from overseeing some real economic strength, even if only partly of his doing (Q1 GDP was extremely strong, stronger than the headline implies, in part due to the $600 stimulus checks hitting in late December and early January, but also in part due to the $1400 starting to impact consumer demand in March, and likely continuing into April).

    Overall, I'd say he's off to a decent start and hasn't fucked up his first 100 days.
     
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    Overall at 100 days I feel relief that we don't have a sitting president spending more time spitting vitriol on twitter and golfing than attempting to do his job.

    Do I love everything that's happened? No.

    The border situation is a nightmare, but one that's understandable at the moment. I think it's stupid that people truly believed in the supposed open border Democrats enough to let it turn into what it's turned into, but here we are. How that's dealt with going forward will be interesting to see. Right now it seems like nobody really knows WTF to do, and that's somewhat understandable. Though the situation is clearly not getting better on its own, so something will need done.

    Biden's plans seem like they would be at least somewhat tenable if not for the current Republican party having a strict "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" policy on anything that originates with the Democrats. I noticed some of them actually managed to swallow their pride long enough to applaud Biden's jobs plan, though everything I've heard afterward is that they absolutely refuse to budge, if they have their way, on raising taxes on the high rollers. They continue to propagate the theory that taxing those in the upper 1-5% will immediately make all jobs disappear into the ether.

    There are some things in Biden's policy I'm not fond of. Flat out fuck his stupid health initiative. It still lands us in a position where we can't afford insurance and even if we could it wouldn't cover our expenses until we were 15k+ in the hole for the year. I'd like to see real health reform, but he's made it perfectly clear that his idea of health reform is to continue to protect the private insurance companies that are essentially bleeding us dry, sometimes literally, just to squeeze every penny they can out of people before killing them off because life is worth less than the almighty dollar. Nobody seems to get that we need real change here outside of the extreme fridge of the Democratic party that are seen as complete lunatics for daring to think we need real healthcare reform.

    And fuck Biden for saying "healthcare is a right" in his speech last night. If he believed that he'd put some effort into lowering rates down to reality for those of us not raking in the cash hand over fist. Apparently the whole single payer option / medicare for all who want it thing just got lost in the usual shuffle of politics.

    That said, I'm still overall relieved. At least it's not a continuous stream of shit-show after shit-show day after day after hour after hour. Just business as usual with a little more lip service to happy-happy/joy-joy thoughts. I mean, I at least have the option of pretending we're not completely fucked in all ways right now. Haven't been able to say that in nearly five or six years, so it's a net positive.
     
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