US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. wankerness

    wankerness SS.org Regular

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    They really have their knives out for him in Manhattan. I don’t think there’s much chance he’d get a plea deal from them. He’ll probably try and have his supporters murder people involved in the case till they back off, that’s the only way I see him wiggling out of that jam.

    The Supreme Court unanimously ruled that electors have to vote with the popular vote in their states, so there goes the major fear a lot of paranoid liberals had about Trump staying in office. He’s done.

    In my state, their lawsuit is trying to throw out 100% of ballots from the three biggest counties because fear of covid wasn’t a good enough reason to send people absentee ballots instead of making them vote in person. Never mind that EVERY county was allowed to do that, they just cartoonishly are trying the only move that would win Trump the state mathematically. It’s pathetic.
     
  2. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    He'll never see a prison cell. Ever. Y'all can forget that idea right now. :lol:
     
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    wankerness SS.org Regular

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    Yeah, getting Epstein’d is far more likely with all the state secrets he knows and how much of an uncontrollable idiot he is.
     
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    TedEH Cromulent

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    I'm super late to this part of the party but -
    In fairness, level of education on its own really isn't an indication of anything other than that someone got enough money together to pay for some schooling. It might indicate that someone has a good understanding of one particular topic they studied, but that means nothing about politics until that's the particular thing they studied. Lots of highly educated people are in fact ignorant of a lot of things outside of their domains of knowledge. Lots of "uneducated" people are also incredibly bright/smart/well informed.

    While I agree that AxRookie's generalizations are kinda ignorant in themselves - so is the idea that you can just assume all "educated people" are smart are will "vote the right way". There's also been a bunch of people saying basically the same thing, but in less "ignorant sounding" terms - saying things like anyone who voted for Trump is clearly a racist shithead, etc.

    Overly-generalizing people tends to be a bad idea in the first place, but we're talking about tens of millions of people and trying to group them all into one bucket we can stick a big ol' dismissive label on. It doesn't matter what you've called that bucket, you're still generalizing. And calling them shitheads is just going to make them want to vote against you even more.
     
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    Yeah, we better compromise and say racism and outright constant rejection of facts isn’t bad.
     
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    possumkiller Square Dance Caller

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    Whoa there, Ted. Everyone else may not remember when you let your racism show in the other thread, but Pepperidge Farm remembers.
     
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    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    The thing is, even if someone who supports Trump isn't themselves a racist or moron or shit head or whatever, they condone Trump's racist, stupid, and shitty behavior, which is a round about way of saying that maybe being fine with all of that is illuminating traces of such in themselves.

    Not to go all Godwin's law here, but I'm sure there were some folks in 1930's Germany who just really liked Hitler's views towards animal rights and self determination of the terminally ill, but if they were also okay with other more insidious policies then well, what do we call Hitler supporters?

    Again, I have no doubt that most Trump supporters are perfectly normal, well intentioned folks who aren't inherently evil or stupid, but at what point does association with those who are evil and stupid spoil the lot?

    This would have been a much better argument prior to 2016, but we have four years of examples now.
     
  8. Dumple Stilzkin

    Dumple Stilzkin Dirt Magurt

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    I don’t know Max, I told Santa in a very nice letter (a very beautiful, you might say perfect, I say it was perfect) that all I wanted for Christmas was justice with regards to Trump. I’m just saying, it could happen.
     
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    Dumple Stilzkin Dirt Magurt

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    Well said. We need to fight temptations to make those generalizations. The path to a better future is going to need tolerance and not elitism. Because like you said, that just is fuel for the anti intellectual fire. To me that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be calling people out on bigotry, and sexists ideals though. When a person supporting Trump doesn’t think they are giving a green light to those ways of thought. They are wrong, though they might not fully grasp why.
     
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    I don't think all Trump voters are/were Trump supporters.

    It'd be a pipe dream to see data regarding that, but I'd assert that most Trump voters I personally know hated Trump, but hated him less than Biden.

    As discussed earlier, many of these folks were single issue voters. Trying to explain to them that Trump is not pro-life (due to his personal history) or not pro-second-amendment (due to his executive order history, his public instructions to the DoJ, and his speeches in front of congress) is futile, because these folks believe that the Republican Party will save them, even if Trump will not. Eventually, those people might even relent that Trump will do the one thing they are voting against, but Biden will also, and Jorgensen has no chance, therefore they must vote for whoever is the brand representative of the party who usually claims to try to stop the thing that never gets stopped.

    It's all too meta to boil down into a 9 second soundbite....

    But, then there are those who truly do support Trump .

    It's also worth mentioning that my taxes were lower the last three years than ever before. While that has made a positive difference in my life, it doesn't come close to making up for the fact that it's now possible that I could die of a disease that was left to roam rampant by the government, and I'm more likely to be abused by police after our executive leader embraced police brutality and even condoned violence against people who have different ideas. But folks who are fairly mainstream and think covid is just a type of flu will see their tax savings and might vote simply based on that.

    Also recall Michael Dukakis vs. George HW Bush. Bush promised lower taxes, Dukakis admitted that the federal budget was buggered without more taxes, and said he'd tax rich corporations. Come November, Bush won in a landslide, most likely due to that single fact. Immediately after taking office, taxes went up to cover the federal budget. People remembered that, which led to the popularity of Ross Perot, which caused Bill Clinton to easily win the next election.

    People vote based on how candidates affect their wallet.
     
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    some people are just actually evil.
     
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    fantom Misses his 6 strings

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    Tell that to people to HR at a large percentage of companies. Why are they ignoring 2/3 of the population that don't have college degrees when looking at resumes? They keep performance data for decades. They know it pays off to focus on college educated people first.

    I think the core issue with a lot of this discussion is that people keep assuming that the outliers (top and bottom 5%) define entire classes of people ignoring that 90% of those people don't share those traits. Yes, there are brilliant people that don't go to college. Yes, there are stupid people with college degrees. Yes there are people who are street smart that dropped out of high school. Yes there are Republicans that would probably have sex with Trump just because they think he is a god.

    But when talking about groups of tens of millions of people, we have to look at the averages, not the outliers. I would argue the average college educated person is less ignorant than the average person with just a high school degree. Just like I would argue that the average Republican sees Trump is a bully and liar.

    I could be wrong, but I'm really getting tired of people making justifications that because the worst 10% of Republicans are on tv acting stupid, then the average is just as bad. I'm also tired of people defining all democrats as socialist because a small percentage back Bernie Sanders passionately. It's just causing a bigger rift because people feel like they are being attacked for reasons that don't even represent who they are.
     
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    Same
     
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    Is it also worth mentioning that those lower taxes were the first phase of a tax structure that is specifically set to break in 2021, and go up to higher then where it was, while continuing to drop for the nation's wealthiest... I my mind, those lower taxes for the middle class were little more than a grift to buy the enough votes in 2020 to win a 2nd term...and then the tax goes back up.
     
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    Yeah the middle class tax cuts expire next year, but the tax cuts for corporate and ultra-wealthy are permanent.
     
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  16. Randy

    Randy ✝✝✝ Super Moderator

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    Unsurprisingly

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    Of course. But most people don't understand that.
     
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    I'm crushed... lol
     
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    I posted that some pages back...
    https://www.sevenstring.org/threads...tion-rules-in-op.330576/page-700#post-5204816

    The "thousands MAGA march" super spreader is off and running!

    Lol But they all seem so very educated and well-read, not at all ignorant, of course, this is just a small sliver of the dumber Rump supporters...

    Rump getting his ego stroked at his biggest super spreader yet!

    I wonder how many people will die from this one including the police that must work it?
     
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    AxRookie Aspiring Expert

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    Cowboy hats with "Stop The Steal" on the back, How fitting...

    I suppose they didn't want to throw out all the flags, signs, and MAGA hats after they paid all that money for them?

    I guess a lot of them didn't have any money left for masks that could save their lives?

    I can hear Rump now "There were millions of people there!, Biggest crowd anyone has ever seen in the history of people!"...

    So this is how Truth, Justice, and The American Way is assaulted? To chants of "stop the steal" for a wannabe authoritarian leader coming from within...
     
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