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Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by mongey, Mar 2, 2016.
Well, the fact is it doesn't matter what Rump says or thinks or what his supporters believe...
It will kinda matter when they come shoot Biden or his supporters in the face.
Can't live in fear of bullies. The only thing that makes them bullies is attacking people that have done nothing to them. That doesn't preclude said supporters from hitting back.
I think the worst case scenario is a civil war erupts and the trumpers somehow manage to win. The best case scenario is the civil war breaks out and the trumpers get slaughtered with the rest sent to guantanamo. The reintegration live and let live shit following the last civil war obviously did not work.
Biden just increased his lead in MI with only a 1% increase of the total votes reported. I suspect the same will happen in PA once they start processing the mail in votes. Same in NV, it sounds like las vegas is the main source of remaining uncounted votes.
Theres communities with 10+ years on boiled water advisories. Treaty rights are ignored.
Our govt doubles down all the time.
Trump is up by 600k, but the 1m+ votes that need to be counted are from Philly and the surrounding burbs, plus some from Pitt. I would guess that a strong 70%+ of those are Biden votes, so that should put him well out front of Trump when it is all counted.
With the 69 mill votes for Biden and 67 mill for Trump, can someone please explain me why you still have that electorial college thing instead of a direct vote? Seems strange and very undemocratic to an outsider why some votes count more than others? As far as I remember both Al Gore and Hillary actually won their elections right? In terms of people that voted on them?
Or maybe I just don't have enough FREEDOOOOOM! in my life to understand these things, since I live in Denmark which is apparently a very bad socialist nightmare.
You can say that, but just having nearly half the country support Trump is a meaningful and alarming truth. And it's not like we haven't already seen proof that some of those people are willing to go to violent extremes to express their displeasure with those that disagree with them.
I miss the days when it felt like the possibility of a civil war was somewhere way out in the future. Right now it feels like it could happen at any moment.
When I was VERY young I used to go out of my way to avoid the neighborhood bully and then I started to learn how to defend myself and it turns out I was good at it, shortly after, while walking at the park with a friend who also learned with me how to defend himself, we ran into that very bully "Rodney Shanks" who said to me "so you think you're a tough guy now" to which I said "let's find out, bring it" and my friend said "yeah let's see, I won't lift a finger to help my friend" and of course he backed down and after that, he was the one going out of his way to avoid ME!
we have the electoral college bc if we removed it the gop would never win again and they control the senate so they have no motivation to make the change.
its a dumb and outdated system that should be tossed.
Maybe so BUT no matter what they do they won't stop Democracy and the votes will be COUNTED!!! We will not be intimidated!!!
Biden is still slowly pulling away in WI and MI with 95% and 96% reported as the mail-in ballots are being counted!!!
The electoral college was put in place back in the 1700's to help prevent the uneducated rural voters from electing people who would be bad for the country. In theory, the electoral college would see the issues with the candidate and ignore the people's vote and vote for the better candidate.
Unfortunately, it is working the exact opposite way lately.
Reminds me of our first past the post system, which needs to be scrapped.
Hold onto your butts, everyone.
Oh boy, should we tell him about the senate?
I wanted to make a sarcastic joke about how "awful" socialism is but I can't bring my self to do it. As a U.S. citizen, I'm sick of how our entire society has been conditioned to believe that we can't afford to take care of our citizens. That's literally the only damn reason government should exist.
Paternal leave is non-existent, employers keep people below full time so they don't have to provide benefits, the federal minimum wage is not enough to meet the cost of living anywhere in the country, paid time off/vacations /savings are increasingly rare. We're worked into the ground and our basic needs still aren't met. Greatest Country in the World at all the wrong things.
I understand politicians with no dignity accepting corporate money and fucking over their constituents. It's spineless, but it doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is how many people have completely fallen for the bullshit and are actively fucking themselves and everyone around them because they've been deceived into believing that we're not all in this together.
The electoral college exists because the United States is a republic, not a democracy. In a republic the people do not vote directly on issues, but have representatives. The electoral college is the representation for the public in choosing the president.
All that is to say: no reason.
We have the oldest (codified) active constitution. There's a reason Thomas Jefferson said it needed to be edited every 19 years.
But then wouldn't it be the first thing on the list to change once the dems have majority in both chambers, congress or whatever it is called? Or is it only the gop that has that once in a while? Or do you need like 2/3's of the vote to change the voting system because it is something constitutional?
Yeah we had a similar thing back in the day, with the change coming in 1901 where we went from the king appointing the goverment (consisting of people elected by popular vote) to the goverment being directly negotiated between the members of parliament, coming from multiple parties. The reason was that the king would not appoint the leader of the farmers party to lead the country since he saw them as uneducated peasants and would rather appoint the conversatives to lead the country even if they did not have the majority of the parliament.
The old farmers party is these days seen as a right wing party in danish politics and usually go into goverment along with the conservative party when those two have the majority, which is fun to think of in hindsigt. And yes our goverments usually consist of members of several parties, with the prime minister usually being the leader of the greater party and then the foreign minister and vice-PM being the leader of the other party.
I often think of USA as being 1 party away from being a 1 party nation like China, so in that sense you are not so different
What the members of senate don't count equally when they vote on stuff?
That's why Puerto Rico and DC getting statehood should be top priority.