US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. mbardu

    mbardu SS.org Regular

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    Oh agreed for sure on the spirit, I was literally just replying on your hypocritical/pragmatism statement in particular.
    The people actually falling in those categories are actually the exception rather than the rule.

    I'm not framing his supporters as just rich or racist (there are some, plus some hypocrites, but those are not that many). For the majority, it's even worse and you could say even sad. I call it "dumb" but that's not 100% fair. It's mostly people indoctrinated to vote against their own best interest for the benefit of the very people who are mocking them the most and taking advantage.

    I mean, Democrats are not that much better, but they're generally a little bit more aligned with the general public, are not actively supporting the end of human life on this planet, and the many who benefit from the system tend to hide it a little bit better and with more class / less crass :lol:
     
  2. MaxOfMetal

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    I believe "low information voter" is the euphemism of choice these days.
     
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    broj15 SS.org Regular

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    A friend of mine recently brought up an interesting point about all this that I just remembered. They posited that a good portion of trump supporters probably don't even agree with what he says most of the time or just straight up don't like him, but then they see things on the news (rights for marginalized groups, right to choose for women, abusive/shitty people being held accountable, the erosion & rejection of John Wayne & Ronald Reagan style masculinity in popular culture, etc.) And they view those things as a personal attack on them/thier own "culture" so they view thier support of trump as a way for them to punch back and "own the libs/trigger the snowflakes" despite not being down with his deplorable actions in his personal life or his total ineptitude to do the job he signed up for without creating a new shit storm with every tweet.
     
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  4. Wuuthrad

    Wuuthrad SS.org Regular

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    I really do want to hear a Trump supporters rational argument why he deserves a second term?

    I used a pretty general overreaching guess as to why, which should leave plenty of room for such an explanation shouldn’t it?

    Maybe they’re just aren’t that many rational Trump supporters on here?

    I’m also kind of wondering if it’s even possible...
     
  5. AxRookie

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    With the heavy lean of this thread, I doubt they would feel safe to voice their opinion?

    Their illogical, moronic, hypocritical, and just plain wrong opinion! lol JK...
     
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  6. USMarine75

    USMarine75 Colorless green ideas sleep furiously Contributor

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    Y’all are sleeping on 30-40% of Americans. Acting like “I’d like to hear a Trump supporter defend him now” is foolhardy. You want to hear it? Turn on Fox News. Dems see things in such a definitive way, but you don’t realize republicans are seeing things in an equal but opposite way. While you’re taking a premature victory lap (like in 2016) their bubble is talking about the “biggest scandal in US history“ - “Obamagate” - and that Hillary and Biden might/should be arrested before the election.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hillary-clinton-trump-russia-andrew-mccarthy

    And talking about population centers being blue as if that matters. Maybe Biden can win by 3M voters just like Hillary did? Although 30-40% of the country believes those 3M votes were illegal and if you subtract them Trump actually won.

    Pussy-gate was the October surprise that was supposed to derail Trump and his poll numbers were down then too.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...on-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

    • “An ABC News poll shows Clinton leading Trump, 50% to 38%“
    • “CNN's Poll of Polls average has Clinton ahead 48% to 39%“
     
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    USMarine75 Colorless green ideas sleep furiously Contributor

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    Really? Here allow me. Just off the top of my head...
    • 200+ Conservative federal judges
    • 3 Supreme Court Associate Justices
    • Building the Wall - doesn’t matter if it’s only 7 miles they are in a bubble and believe it’s being built
    • Tax cuts for working class - analysis after analysis says it’s not true, but they believe they are better off financially now than under Obama, and that Biden will repeal the Trump Tax Cuts and raise taxes on working class by a lot.
    • China Tariffs - They believe Obama allowed China to own the US, but Trump is first president to push back and fix this.
    • Peace in the Middle East - Israel, Bahrain, UAE (Abraham Accords)
    • Iran Deal - they believe Trump got US out of the bad Iran-US deal that gave billions to Iran and allowed them to still work on armaments.
    • Paris Accord - They believe climate change is not that big of a deal, this was a bad deal that would cost the US more than any other country, that the only alternative the Dems want is the $3T Green New Deal, and that our climate is better under Trump and his real policies than the Dems and their scam policies.
    • Military - Obama had us in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, and they believe Trump brought our boys home.
    • Law Enforcement - they believe Biden and Dems support anarchy, domestic terrorists (Antifa), looting/rioting, etc. Biden isn’t supported by any LE and Trump is supported by all LE everywhere.
    • Rallies - they see the crowds at Trump‘S rallies and they see no one at Biden’s. They believe they are the real majority.
    • COVID and Masks - they believe masks are a choice not a mandate. Or that they don’t really work. They believe COVID isn’t really as dangerous as the Dems are trying to make it out to be - that it’s another impeachment hoax by the Dems.
    • Impeachment - they believe Dems tried to illegally remove Trump and got caught.
    • Conservative values - they believe most Americans aren’t in favor of abortions, gay marriage, trans, etc.
    • Identity Politics - they believe Dems don’t really care about Blacks, trans, gays, etc and just pander to these small specific groups to get votes.
    • Religion - they believe most Americans believe in Christ and that the Dems are all atheists or Radical Islamists lovers. (See War on Christmas)
    • Obamagate - they believe Obama, Hillary, Biden, and all the Dems tried to stage a coup and remove Trump before and after he was inaugurated. When that didn’t work they tried Impeachment.
    • Conspiracies and QAnon - they believe and welcome people who believe this shit like Pizzagate
    • 2nd Amendment - they believe Dems are coming for their guns. This and abortion are the 2 big single voter issues.
    • Abortion - the other big single voter issue. They believe Dems are murderers.
    • George Soros - they believe Dems get their money from this evil Jew, I mean, man. Definitely don’t also believe the Rothschilds who control the world (but shh they do).
    • Democratic Cities and States - look at how California is doing. Chicago too. Is that the America you want? Because that’s what you’ll get under a Biden presidency.
    • Socialism - they believe Dems want to destroy American values like capitalism.
     
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    Sounds like grandpa fell asleep with Fox News (a division of Fox Nonsense) on the TV again! :D
     
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    He's right though. Almost everyone here is making the mistake of assuming republicans and trump fans are equally intelligent and rational people that will play fair when nothing could be further from the truth.
     
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    narad Progressive metal and politics

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    Whelp, you sold me!
     
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    I'm under no such illusions, mostly I'm just joking around here, BUT I understand what they will try to do to hold onto power now that they've tasted it and I know Trump faces prison time when or if he loses so he's going to fight like there is no tomorrow because for him there is none...

    BUT the reality is that we the people have it within our hands to defeat the bad orange man if enough of us can come together, ignore all the BS swirling around us, and use the ultimate power of VOTE!

    And I for one BELIEVE WE CAN OVERCOME THE EVIL! JUST WHEN THINGS LOOK THE DARKEST THE LIGHT WILL COME SHINING THROUGH!
     
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  12. Randy

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    Biden ahead nationally 12%. I'm not trying to get cocky but ultimately, at this point, the main goal should be avoiding any self-sustained injury and keeping people from being complacent. If 100% of eligible people voted right this second, it would be a landslide.
     
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    You left out Trump's "deal" with North Korea which saved us all from WWIII.

    (sarcasm)


    One difference I see between this election and the last is the lack of "I'm moving out of the USA if Trump wins" rhetoric.

    Show of hands- who wants to go live in North Korea for the next 4 years if Trump wins again, then come back and tell us how bad it is here in America?
     
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    Clinton was also ahead by 12% at this point.

    Sigh.
     
  15. sleewell

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    That's your selling point? Best argument ever. Turning America into just slightly better than living in north Korea in four years so give him four more?

    Wow.
     
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    For real.

    "We're not as bad as North Korea!"

    Not quite the rallying cry folks think it is.

    I've been actively persuing moving abroad through work for the last three years. No dice.

    The United States has become a great job with terrible management and awful benefits. Sure you're pumping mid-six figures, but everything is a shit show.

    I love living here, it's all I know. I definitely think it's worth saving and I agree that folks saying they're going to move out is cringey in the context of not winning an election...but compared to the rest of the world from work/life balance to healthcare it's just not competitive.
     
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    Taking a job living abroad was the best decision I and the family ever made. We might have to come back to DC for a short while and we're like oh no - COVID irresponsibility, terrorism, crime, political violence... yikes.
     
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    High Plains Drifter ... drifting...

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    I just want to chime in on what I see in this thread over the last page or two- I don't see that anyone is making a knee-jerk assumption that Biden will win. What I see is some optimism... not so much due to a particular news feed but because there are multiple indicators from multiple sources that it could happen.

    And on a more subconscious level, I also think that some of the optimism is coming to the surface because people realize that this may indeed be the only chance that we get to replace the constant frustration and anger with positivity. We can finally envision fuck-face actually falling from grace. It's kinda like Christmas and this is the big box behind the tree... yeah, it might be a shitload of socks and shirts but maybe... just maybe it's that mega hawt color-changing hover guitar with wushu grip. A lotta people feel closer than ever before that things might indeed shift. I do hope that NO ONE becomes complacent and that we ALL vote but right now we just desperately want to replace the despair with aspiration and in a sobering reality, we know that this could be as close as we get.
     
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    Moved my family to Europe. It's nice. Would 100% recommend it to people tired of the bullshit. Yeah maybe things will start to change for the better with biden. But just baby steps. It took them decades to get us to this point. My kids and I are not going to wait decades for them to unfuck everything.
     
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    Yeah, the wife is on board 100%, but I don't have the means without work subsidizing to a degree. I've had a couple video interviews but nothing has panned out in negotiations.

    How long have you been abroad?
     
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