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Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by mongey, Mar 2, 2016.
Absolutely fucking not.
Well I wouldn't say that. We were always told communism was evil. We never really talked about nazis but we were definitely supposed to be afraid of communism. Communism was like satanism. You weren't supposed to ask about how it worked, you were just supposed to know it was the most evil fucking thing to ever exist. Asking about it only made people suspect you of wanting to be one.
We can talk about Communism, but it was allowed to play out in other countries over the last 100 years and you end up with the same problems we're trying to solve here. Disparate social classes and dictators. There's pros and cons of any system, so I won't argue one is any better than the other if taken to it's conclusion but nothing about the situation we're in right now says Communism fix all or even some of the problems we have without creating others.
I think you can fix corruption and inequality in the economic system we have. There's barriers, some brought on by the system itself but most of them not.
As much as I support small 's' socialism, I don't think we can argue Communism hasn't been given it's chance.
I have to agree with Max on this. What little of that list might be positive has been more than undone by Trump's piss poor response to the Covid19 and his handling of the George Floyd protests has flushed any remaining good will the majority of people had towards Trump down the toilet.
I think for a lot of Americans, in particular those with working memories of the Soviet/Reagan era, their vision of "socialism" consists entirely of a terrifying Red Dawn fever dream. The Commies are coming, one strategically and geographically insignificant small town at a time.
Oh I just mean everything gets protested as communism, mixed race marriages = Communism, twitter fact checking trump = communism, wearing face masks = Communism, and sorry i didnt attach the images of all these particular things I swear I'm not making it up.
But yeah possumkiller seemed to nail it, communism is just painted as the evil catch all. Guess that speaks to the teaching the sheep they are wolves. A little bit of small s socialism would do good in the US. Sadly its all big S socialism for billion dollar corporations.
We can laugh at Trump's list of "accomplishments" and argue whether or not recent events have erased any gains he's made but that list isn't for the general population really, its for the true believers. Trump is at 94% approval among Republicans; re-read the list with that in mind.
How is organizing the national guard and military to combat riots a bad response?
Oh, did he hurt your feelings? Did he overreact? Was police and military action "off limits" because the problem was triggered by a police officer killing a black man? Should he have let it play out naturally?
Should he have got on camera and had a minute of silent prayer while cities were burning?
The federal government is giving a massive aid package to states. The net effect of the riots will be to set back progress against Covid, which will delay reopening of states. Which will extend PUA benefits for majority of people protesting and rioting. See how that works? Do you now realize why the federal govt needs to get involved? Do you wonder why it is liberal states that are pushing back? (A: It has nothing to do with policy or what is right, just trying to win the next election by resisting Trump. If we had a democratic president, liberal governors would be praising her for the military aid she leant.)
Furthermore, if you listened to his televised message yesterday, he denounced the violence and suffering of miniorities.
Its like you guys are living in an alternate reality.
When people are rioting, especially when they are being funded and organized by outside groups, you get the military involved.
When is a president wrong to protect our country? What alternative do you propose? Let the protests continue unabated when there is a stay at home order because of CV? Do nothing and expect domestic terrorists to stop looting and destroying property because the police and national guard stayed at home? WTF are you smoking?
Its like liberals are living in an alternate reality governed by subjective feelings.
What's he proposed to fix this?
Ah, my apologies. I misread that along with possum's post. Yeah, the slippery slope of communism has been a convenient scapegoat for status quo.
Same problem that kicked off this mess: escalation vs. de-escalation.
Yeah. Which is to say we weren't actually taught what it is haha.
Denouncing violence while then using force to move protesters out of the way for a photo op. The police shooting rubber bullets and tear gas at identified journalists. These strongman tactics are not American, and they should scare every single one of us.
Please show all of us the proof that the protesters and rioters are being funding. All you have there are George Soros conspiracy theories. I have honestly looked for proof, and all I end up with is computer cancer.
The President is not protecting this country, and he hasn't been. And because of the awful job he's done, it's not like anyone would take a nurturing sentiment from him seriously. His lack of action on COVID-19, and continued use of racist and inflammatory language will not help mend the scars that have constantly been picked at. If you really want to talk about an alternative universe, you really should be taking at look at what's really going on around this country and examine your own perspective first.
The state said they will fire on their people and GD is out here defending it. What a hill to literally and figuratively die on.
Just a reminder: the folks protesting are part of this country too.
im not a medical professional but when you repeatedly insist that its everyone else who is living in an alternate reality you might wanna look at that.
I had a conversation about this with a family member last night. I don't speak for everyone that put on the uniform, but as a Vet, people rising up against their oppressors with a unified voice is one of the freedoms I gladly served to protect. Blind patriotism is forgetting that we are to be a voice for those without one, and that we protect those freedoms for all Americans. My father grew up in a country where you could be killed without trial for speaking out against oppressive forces. But it's a slippery slope that allows that freedom to be revoked in the name of law and order. If people don't think that something like fascist or a dictatorship could happen in this country, just take a look at what's going on around us. Journalists having non-lethal force used against them as they report on what's going on around them, the federal government actively dismissing facts and data, and language used to make people view things as us vs. them. This is dangerous. And we all need to take note of reality before it's too late. I mean, the thought of employing our own military forces in order to suppress protesters is disgusting. I am so grateful that I was not put in a position to be out there in full battle rattle against my own countrymen and women.
When do you bring in the US military against US citizens? You don't unless you are involved in a civil war. Otherwise, the military is to serve the citizens.
No, a minute of prayer from Trump would be perceived as hollow and patronizing.
As the leader of the free world, he needs to unite people rather than parade his military around like a wannabe Kim Jong Un.
I doubt that. This isn't an "us vs. them thing", it's about manning up and doing what needs to be done, even when that isn't pleasant.
What has he done to effect that change, though? Even with those few hollow words, his actions have spoken very clearly to the contrary.
Yes, one where actual facts reign, not political spin. Don't get me wrong, there are certainly people on the left who live in political bubble, too, but most of us here in this thread are pretty level headed and fact oriented.
As I mentioned above, no, you don't. National Guard to augment local police forces, sure. But not the actual military.
How is he protecting the country? All he is doing is escalating things, adding fuel to the fire.
No, the subjective feelings generally come from those on the right side of the political spectrum. Not always, but certainly more often than not.
Police action is exactly what started this whole thing, and rather than attempting to de-escalate the situation, the police are pushing back with more force. There are several instances floating around on social media in other cities, but also definitely here in Louisville (where Breonna Taylor was killed) of the police abusing protestors and even bystanders who aren't involved. A guy was shot and killed recently who wasn't involved in the protests (David McAtee) on the west side of town, and his body was left there for a day before any "investigation" took place. Why were nonlethal rounds not used in this situation? We won't know because there were no body cams active at the time, apparently. This is the kind of stuff that just adds to the problem. I don't see Trump trying to be forthcoming in any way, and tbh I don't think I've ever seen it. His response comes off as "yeah-yeah" and rhetoric, like its an obligation he begrudgingly endures. It's just a bad look.
As far as covid, the states were already opening back up regardless of the fact that covid remains to be a threat--evident in the spikes in confirmed cases in states that had already begun to reopen.
@tedtan no, they serve the uphold the Constitution. They don't serve the civilians or the President.
Also in 1992 during the LA riots active duty Army was sent to LA.