US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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  1. Drew

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    I mean, @JoshuaVonFlash, maybe this is the better way of framing it. Let's imagine a hypothetical where Bernie Sanders won the Democratic primary and, in November, beats Trump and is sworn into office in January 2021.

    Do you think it's realistic to believe that Sanders would 1) Get Congress to vote to change the Civil Rights Act, 2) pass a constitutional amendment to limit the Supreme Court's ability to weigh in on the constitutionality of executive actions, 3) get China and the EU to agree to an even lower temperature change and even greater CO2 targets, and then 4) get Mitch McConnell to ratify said treaty when Sanders sends it to Congress for ratification?

    I'm arguing that, while I too wanted more than we got, the Obama administration accomplished a tremendous amount given the constraints they were under. You can criticize the ACA for not going far enough... but remember that it passed the House by five votes, and only avoided being filibustered to death in the Senate via reconciliation. It was the very limit of what could be passed. Unfortunately a lot of it had to be done via executive power, which means that a lot of what Obama accomplished, Trump has been able to at least in part undo. THAT is why I think getting Trump out and Biden in matters - even if Biden can't do a thing further, and without gains in the Senate that very well may be the case, he can at least fix a lot of what Trump has tried to undo.

    And, you know, maybe fully staff the government while he's at it.
     
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    https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
     
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    So this one is on Fox coming from a Bishop. Can you Trump backers please explain this?

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dc-episcopal-bishop-i-am-outraged-by-president-trump-church-visit

    Trump had police shoot rubber bullets and tear gas at protestors so he could take a photo for campaigning at the church. He didn't want to pray or look for guidance. He literally wants to appeal to the religious right. The Bishop is publicly calling out his behavior as non Christian and political.
     
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    Yeah but he's Bishop of a heathen liberal cesspool so his opinion doesn't count.

    Edit: Excuse me. She. Two strikes.
     
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    Donald "I don't know what to do with my tiny hands or this book" Trump:
    https://i.imgur.com/gjJMuSX.gifv
     
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    Believe it or not, I do have something positive to say about trump. He has become a catalyst for change. He has fucked things up so bad and pushed America to the breaking point. These riots and protests give me more hope for America than I have ever had. I don't think this would have happened with Hilary. We would've just kept on with business as usual.

    Well ok I guess I don't have anything positive to say about the man himself.
     
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    A moderate publication isn't going to invent stuff that doesn't exist to pamper to your delusions.
    At this point, the main relevant question about Trump is, will he accept losing the election. Because I can very well see it turning into an NRA dictatorship claiming the results are fake.
     
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    Do they not teach what communism and socialism actually are in America??
     
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    With 30% unemployment, most of them younger people and minorities, they have alot of time on their hands to riot. The scale of the protests and riots are because of coronavirus and unemployment with the murder of George Floyd the catalyst.

    Blacks destroyed neighborhoods in Baltimore when Freddie Grey was killed. Obama was president when that happened. But do you blame Obama? Of course not.

    If we were in the middle of a pandemic when Freddie Gray was killed, the same thing would have happened. It wouldn't have just been Baltimore.

    Now you are going to try to blame the CV response on Trump? The USA performed about as well as the EU as an aggregate. Thats about the only analagous entitiy. The states were in control of many facets of the response, with Trump/Faucc/Birk providing guidance. Government did not have the ability to lock down interstate travel, like China could.

    The bipartisan relief bill worked well. The PPP and EIDL loans, plus PUA insurance was quick action to support the economy. The stock market still believes there will be a V shaped recovery.

    Logic. Try some.
     
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    oh the hypocrisy...

    are you not able to remember trump blaming obama for the fergueson protests or just selectively remembering things to fit your views?

    i also think the US could have done a lot better against covid had trump not spent the first 2 months denying it in between rounds of golf. 35k lives could have been saved had they acted a week earlier, imagine if he had taken his daily security briefings seriously in jan instead of in march when the stock market crashed.
     
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    Its like you are living in an alternate reality. Timeline of events is well documented.
     
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    Just an observation.

    That list is functionally meaningless now.

    Almost all of it is gone, neither COVID19 or the protests have an end date, and I don't see the administration making meaningful headway on either front.
     
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    You ever watch some alternate reality sci-fi and get to the point where the guy thinks, "Wait, is our reality the alternate reality??"
     
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    I am not blaming trump for anything other than being himself. That is my entire point. Trump is proving to be exactly what America needs in order to pull their head out and take action. I have already seen your logic. I was taught your logic since I was born. At every step in my life, I have found one hole after another in that logic. I will stick to my own better judgement instead of listening to brainwashed right-wing hypocrites.
     
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