US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

[lemeker]

While I like the fact that Drumpf isn't afraid to say what he wants regardless of what people think, the idea of him becoming president scares me. I think Clinton has the best chance of winning in the end. I really don't like any of the candidates running for this election, but feel that Sanders, who will get my vote unless I can write my own name down, really has the ideas to get us back on the right track.

What bothers me more than all though is our do nothing Congress. Cronies who spend more time fighting against each other and shutting down every so often, rather than actually solving anything.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

I like the fact that Drumpf isn't afraid to say what he wants regardless of what people think

How is what he says any different from the myriad of candidates who would sell out their own mother for votes and attention?

I know, because it's not "PC", because somewhere sometime someone decided it was lame to be a decent human being to those who might just be a little bit different than one's self.

It's almost like folks want this country to stay crappy for everyone but older, well off, straight, white, Christian men. They don't realize that once it's better for the other 30% of the country things might actually get nicer, even for those old white guys.

 

[Adam Of Angels]

While I like the fact that Drumpf isn't afraid to say what he wants regardless of what people think...

Ever go to a party where some guy is drunk and yelling about his ....ty beliefs and opinions? Did you consider that a redeeming quality of his?

 

[Dumple Stilzkin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ Worth watching if you don't know where the Drumpf came from.

 

[VBCheeseGrater]

It's almost like folks want this country to stay crappy for everyone but older, well off, straight, white, Christian men. They don't realize that once it's better for the other 30% of the country things might actually get nicer, even for those old white guys.

Well put.

As for Trump, from what i've been gathering it sounds like he'll have no shot in the main election - the GOP guys are concerned about this, as he will blow their chance. As I understand it, some of the GOP guys behind him for the party nomination would actually fare much better vs Hillary.

But i'm no political scientist, just a guy that will be able to vote for the first time this year (UK citizen until last year). Never thought i'd feel such obligation, but i surely do. My main concern is catching up with the rest of the civilized world in useful social programs and labor laws.

 

[CapnForsaggio]

Will shred +1

Trump isn't the problem, he's the symptom. And seen by some as a potential remedy.

Honestly, Barack being a relatively political unknown and supposed "outsider" was a big part of his win. The establishment really getting in with him should have been a big clue about how wrong we were there, but hindsight is 20/20.

The reaction by the media and political elite to Trump so far has actually made me like him as a candidate.... The enemy of my enemy, is my friend.

Good luck to all this election year. Get your popcorn ready!

 

[canuck brian]

Does Trump have any policies to speak of or does he just get on stage and flap his gums?

 

[jeremyb]

I'm betting at the end of all of this when Hilary wins he'll come out and say "Gotcha!, I was only in the race to help my friend Hilary win, jokes on you losers!"

 

[RUSH_Of_Excitement]

I fear a Trump presidency, because I believe someone who describes his/her vocabulary by saying "I know words... I have the best words", attacks the 1st amendment by threatening to sue the media should they publish negative comments about him, stereotypes different ethnicities and wants to ban Muslims, and refuses to denounce the FORMER GRAND WIZARD of the KKK and white supremacy outright should not be president of this great nation. I have hope that the American populace won't f*ck us all over this badly

 

[TheStig1214]

Does Trump have any policies to speak of or does he just get on stage and flap his gums?

Well, we know he hates the idea of any non-white people coming into the country..... that's kinda it....

 

[CapnForsaggio]

Well, we know he hates the idea of any non-white people coming into the country..... that's kinda it....

He has never said that. He opposes illegal immigration because the entrants are not vetted for criminal history.

That is very different from what you have said.

Most Americans agree with his stance. No illegal immigration.

 

[vilk]

...to me, it seems kind of naive to really believe that. I have heard many racist people offer various excuses for why it was ok for them to approve of some slight against a group, but just because you can find legal reasons to justify what you wanted anyway doesn't somehow undo your actual feelings, which more than likely you had long before Trump ever said a thing about "vetting for criminals".

Also, it seems like many people are unaware that legal immigration is limited by quotas set by region... which, to me, seems patently like systematized discrimination. Legal immigration is racist... well, "regionist". I don't believe white Mexicans will have an easier time getting in than brown Mexicans. But yeah, saying "we just want them to do it legally! that's all!" essentially means "I don't want any more Latino people".

For so many foreigners, there is actually no honest way to legally immigrate. You can marry someone, but past a certain point that's no longer honest, is it?

 

[lemeker]

How is what he says any different from the myriad of candidates who would sell out their own mother for votes and attention?

It's not any different. I never implied that it was. I disagree with the majority (more like everything really) of what he says. I think the guy is a sideshow attraction.

I know, because it's not "PC", because somewhere sometime someone decided it was lame to be a decent human being to those who might just be a little bit different than one's self.

It's almost like folks want this country to stay crappy for everyone but older, well off, straight, white, Christian men. They don't realize that once it's better for the other 30% of the country things might actually get nicer, even for those old white guys.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying here. I think the world would be a much better place, and hope one day we can truly be....

Ever go to a party where some guy is drunk and yelling about his ....ty beliefs and opinions? Did you consider that a redeeming quality of his?

I actually have a friend who isn't afraid to voice his opinion on a wide range of subjects. would I call it a redeeming quality, no....but it doesn't make a bad guy either.

 

[VBCheeseGrater]

Does Trump have any policies to speak of or does he just get on stage and flap his gums?

I was reading a bit about his health care plans and some of it made good sense. Again i stress some. I'm not a Trump supporter by any means, but the answer to your question appears to be "Yes, some policy on real issues has actually seen the light of day between the circus act."

 

[MaxOfMetal]

It's not any different. I never implied that it was. I disagree with the majority (more like everything really) of what he says. I think the guy is a sideshow attraction.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying here. I think the world would be a much better place, and hope one day we can truly be....

Then what's the appeal that made you say:

I like the fact that Drumpf isn't afraid to say what he wants regardless of what people think

If you know it's a ruse, then what you said makes no sense.

 

[Aymara]

..., stereotypes different ethnicities and wants to ban Muslims, and refuses to denounce the FORMER GRAND WIZARD of the KKK and white supremacy outright should not be president of this great nation.

That sounds to me as if it is (or should be) well known in the US, that Trump is a racist?

 

[MaxOfMetal]

That sounds to me as if it is well known in the US, that Trump is a racist?

That's the goofy thing.

It's pretty much established that he is at best biased against those who are not like him, and at worst a real, by definition, racist. Though, it's not absolutely written in stone. He can say racist and xenophobic things without folks labeling him a true racist.

Being labeled as racist is worse than actually being racist in this country. So he'll say terrible things and then deny any real racism.

Like I said, goofy.

 

[CapnForsaggio]

I hear ya Vilk, but the reality is, resources are not unlimited.

I cannot go across the border to Mexico illegally, live there permanently, and open a business where I make money. I would be arrested and deported.

I think the "moral high ground" in this issue ends up being damaging to the country.

Think about it, 'why wouldn't Mexico allow unfettered immigration of Americans to their country?'

Answer: It is not worth it for them or any other country to do so. And we are some of the richest and most educated world citizens available. Still, no other country allows illegal immigration of Americans into their borders.....

 

[TheStig1214]

He has never said that. He opposes illegal immigration because the entrants are not vetted for criminal history.

That is very different from what you have said.

Most Americans agree with his stance. No illegal immigration.

He doesn't want criminals in his country but he called all Mexicans criminals and proposed we have a travel ban on all Muslims to keep them from coming in the country.

I hear ya Vilk, but the reality is, resources are not unlimited.

I cannot go across the border to Mexico illegally, live there permanently, and open a business where I make money. I would be arrested and deported.

I think the "moral high ground" in this issue ends up being damaging to the country.

Think about it, 'why wouldn't Mexico allow unfettered immigration of Americans to their country?'

Answer: It is not worth it for them or any other country to do so. And we are some of the richest and most educated world citizens available. Still, no other country allows illegal immigration of Americans into their borders.....

No other country allows illegal immigration like the US does because no other first world nation has a ~2000 mile border to take care of. And in other first world nations they have laws that allow citizens from other countries to travel, live and work freely within other countries.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

And we are some of the richest and most educated world citizens available.

Have a citation on that one?

Besides wealth, last I checked, we're falling pretty far back as far as education compared with most of the developed world. With the wealth gap how it is, I don't see us having the market cornered on that forever either.