US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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Honestly I don't know why a bomber or two didn't just fly over NK and drop a couple big crates of .... in the middle of their pompous military parade. The longer they stay isolated from military comparison with the rest of the world, the more dangerous they are -- like a bunch of frat bros pumping each other up before doing something stupid. I feel like some non-lethal reminder of their status in front of their entire military would be useful.
 

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Well c'mon man... US foreign policy isn't going to have a huge impact on Australia.

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Possible nuclear war with North Korea would beg to differ :idea:

From the BBC:

"North Korea has said it is ready to sink the Carl Vinson, and on Sunday said it would strike Australia with nuclear weapons if it remained an ally of the United States."
(http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39683518)

Mongey... I'm sorry... We didn't know!!

No, but seriously, what possible motive could anyone have for nuking Australia? Unless they really want to see the already scary wildlife mutated into freakish kaiju monsters...
 

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We already went through that with East and West Germany. It would be hard, and international aid would be necessary, but it would be doable.

From what I gather, the state of North Korea is nothing like old East Germany, which was a country with heavy industry, resources and a working education system. North Korea is an agricultural country, with no industry to speak of, subject to frequent famines, and with a population indoctrinated way beyond the mere political control that happened in the eastern europe democratic republics.
 

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From what I gather, the state of North Korea is nothing like old East Germany, which was a country with heavy industry, resources and a working education system. North Korea is an agricultural country, with no industry to speak of, subject to frequent famines, and with a population indoctrinated way beyond the mere political control that happened in the eastern europe democratic republics.

The situation is NK is unique, unlike any other nation ever before. You have this dictator in charge of a communist/socialist republic with a staunch isolationist attitude toward the rest of the world. They do very little trade, and their culture is easily 40-50 years behind the rest of the developed world, yet they have nuclear weapons and "guided" "missiles," and their government has this attitude of extreme aggression toward anything and everything. A lot of people in SK think it's all talk, but, looking at the history books, NK has killed plenty of folks in the DMZ and who knows how many more within its own borders. They are also the only nation to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and then publicly reneg. How would the world react if Germany publicly reneg'd the Geneva Protocol?
 

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Richard Nixon? I'm guessing he could have added a few well informed insights to the current situation...

His Presidential Library certainly didn't hesitate to chime in! :lol:

It's also being reported that sources in the Justice Department are saying that Rod Rosenstein almost resigned after hearing Asst. Press Secretary Sanders' claim that Rosenstein had picked up the Comey question on his own, and over a span of a couple weeks came to the conclusion that he should be fired, so he wrote it up and put it in a memo to Trump. Rather, the day before his firing Trump came to Rosenstein and Sessions and asked them to write a formal justification for him to remove Comey. Sessions, as you'll recall, had to recuse himself from the Russia investigation, which ostentatiously this was about Comey not prosecuting Trump's chief political rival and not Russia, yet Trump went out of his way to claim that Comey had assured him three times that he was not being investigated, in the termination letter, so you know exactly what was on his mind.
 

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Regardless of whatever guilt or innocence over this investigation, the way the administration is handling the investigation itself is deplorable. As someone who said "ok, America, if this is what you really want, then let's go ahead and try it," I think I can honestly say that we gave it a shot and it didn't work out. This has ended up being the worst presidential administration ever, and not by a small margin. If there is no course correction, then it'll just get worse with future administrations.
 

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We all see the farcical nature of Trump's presidency, but as an outsider, what are the opposition parties doing about it? Are the democrats assuming he'll fall on his own sword?

How can a president and his staff constantly display their ineptitude in decision making, make assertions which are demonstrably false, have a Damoclean investigation hanging over them and a house full of nepotism and cronyism without someone in opposition doing something about it?

Are they powerless?

Surely it is clear that the longer this goes on the more likely it will be that long lasting and potentially catastrophic damage will be done?
 

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We all see the farcical nature of Trump's presidency, but as an outsider, what are the opposition parties doing about it? Are the democrats assuming he'll fall on his own sword?

How can a president and his staff constantly display their ineptitude in decision making, make assertions which are demonstrably false, have a Damoclean investigation hanging over them and a house full of nepotism and cronyism without someone in opposition doing something about it?

Are they powerless?

Surely it is clear that the longer this goes on the more likely it will be that long lasting and potentially catastrophic damage will be done?

As far as I understand, with the Republicans making up the majority of Congress at the moment, we're really waiting for Trump's ineptitude to reach a point that even his own party has to oppose him. No telling when that is, but considering only a quarter of Republican congressmen openly supported his firing of Comey (last I heard, from BBC news) I'm holding out hope that it must be close... But, it's generally wishful thinking that a politician will put the greater good ahead of their party.

So, I guess, in essence, yeah, Democrats are kind of hoping he falls on his sword...
 

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As far as I understand, with the Republicans making up the majority of Congress at the moment, we're really waiting for Trump's ineptitude to reach a point that even his own party has to oppose him. No telling when that is, but considering only a quarter of Republican congressmen openly supported his firing of Comey (last I heard, from BBC news) I'm holding out hope that it must be close... But, it's generally wishful thinking that a politician will put the greater good ahead of their party.

So, I guess, in essence, yeah, Democrats are kind of hoping he falls on his sword...

So, in sum, Democrats are waiting for him to fall on his sword and technically so are the disgruntled Republicans. The old 'wait and see' approach. :wallbash:

If it were here in Australia the opposition party would be absolutely tearing the PM apart. Even the PM's own party would have the knives out. We've had three PM's knifed by their own party while in power, and that's within the last 5 years.
 

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Greater good is the wrong phrase for it though, because Pence is a million times worse. If Pence goes down with him then Paul Ryan becomes president. If you're not a tea party Republican, or a religious fanatic, this doesn't end well on any level whether we act or not.
 

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So, in sum, Democrats are waiting for him to fall on his sword and technically so are the disgruntled Republicans. The old 'wait and see' approach. :wallbash:

What would you prefer? You can't remove someone from office for policies and decisions you don't like.
 

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So, in sum, Democrats are waiting for him to fall on his sword and technically so are the disgruntled Republicans. The old 'wait and see' approach. :wallbash:

If it were here in Australia the opposition party would be absolutely tearing the PM apart. Even the PM's own party would have the knives out. We've had three PM's knifed by their own party while in power, and that's within the last 5 years.

Yeah, unfortunately, the way it works in the US is that it is largely up to Congress to keep the Executive branch in check. The Republicans firmly control Congress. IMO, the Democrats ought to at least be protesting a little more loudly, but ultimately they don't have any direct power right now. They *had* the ability to filibuster in the Senate which could slow things down, but the Republicans already used the "nuclear option" an eliminated the filibuster so now they can do anything with a 51% majority.

The Republicans' behavior has been really shameful. It would only take a few of them to grow a spine and a lot could be done but that doesn't seem to be happening. Trump spent most of the election insulting them but they lined up right behind him once he had the nomination. Right now I think most of them are drunk on power having control of the Presidency and Congress. Even if they hate Trump, they think they can take advantage of the situation to get their policies (tax breaks for their rich donors) though. Unless Trumps approval ratings get so low that they see their own seats at risk in the next election, I don't think that will change much. (Senators have a six-year term though so it'll take a while and there are a substantial number that come from such conservative districts that no matter how bad Trump is, they are probably safe).

In two years, if the Democrats get control of Congress back, things might change. But never underestimate the Democrats' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

In the meantime, it's up to the relatively non-political agencies like the FBI and courts.
 

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Maybe the good that comes of this is that it causes establishment of a competency test before someone can become PotUS.

So, now news outlets are saying that Trump might have secret tape recordings of his conversations with Comey. I'm starting to think Trump wrote a playbook based on everything Nixon did wrong. :noplease:
 

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Greater good is the wrong phrase for it though, because Pence is a million times worse. If Pence goes down with him then Paul Ryan becomes president. If you're not a tea party Republican, or a religious fanatic, this doesn't end well on any level whether we act or not.

Wow, I forgot all about that...

Maybe that's why he picked such laughably bad choices for all these jobs- he knew they were going to want to impeach him so he made sure all his possible replacements would be someone they REALLY didn't want.
 

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What would you prefer? You can't remove someone from office for policies and decisions you don't like.


Yes, you absolutely can. That's why the 2018 midterms will most likely see a mass exodus of GOP from their offices, most likely because of Trumpcare. The town halls that dare be held are vicious.
 


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