Tuning/Buzz Problems with 8 string...dont know what to do anymore

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  1. AxiomXIII

    AxiomXIII SS.org Regular

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    Slowly losing my cool with this one...

    I bought brand new Schecter Banshee Elite 8.
    Great guitar feels great etc BUT I cant get rid of fret buzz on the low B (7th) string. (and a little on low F#(8th))
    The buzz is mostly between the 7th and 10th frets.

    I brought it to a shop and he said the neck got a too big bow so I got it set up.
    Now I get it back and its still there.

    ALSO no matter what I do I cant bring the low B into tuning.
    I tune to E A E A D G B E but now matter how I accurately I tune the low A, power chords always sound off. Wasnt like this before the set up. Even tuning it lower a few cents doesnt help.

    Action on the low B is like 1,8mm
    Low F# string action is 2ish mm

    I use a .60 for the low B tuned to A
    .80 for the low F# tuned to E

    I really dont want return this thing because it literally has everything I need but these issues slowly make me rage..

    Help?
     
  2. lurè

    lurè Fake Shredder

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    Assuming that is not a fret problem (you have SS frets and guitar is brand new), maybe a back-bow issue?
     
  3. AxiomXIII

    AxiomXIII SS.org Regular

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    The Frets are fine, it's brand new and I got them checked.
    It's that I can't bring it to tune on these strings.
    I checked the intonation was off even after the setup so I tried to adjust it myself.
    The low B saddle is now all the way to the back and the low F# saddle doesn't go any further. Still off...

    I can assume it's a guitar issue and I should try to get my money back or is there a fix?
     
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    The saddle all the way back is kinda weird for a low A ; is usually a thing for a low E on the 8th string.
    Dunno how the shop could miss it and give it back to you with still those issues.

    Check shop's policy on refunds and returns
     
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    bzhang9 SS.org Regular

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    your truss rod is off or your action is too high. If you have a proper set up the bridge is designed to intonate properly
     
  6. Ozzfest

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    Maybe try swapping the nut
     
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    Idk how angled the Hipshot fanned fret bridges are. But hypothetically could this be solved by used a fanned fret bridge even though the guitar is straight fret? Just to give the lower strings more room to intimate?
     
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    efiltsohg SS.org Regular

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    buzzing usually means a truss rod adjustment is in order

    don't bother changing your intonation until after you fix that and readjust the action

    but yeah if a guitar tech is charging you for work he should actually fix your problem

    If it's not the truss rod, I wouldn't rule out a fret level issue, which might not be immediately apparent
     
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    erdiablo666 Do not go Djently

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    What's the scale length brother? Is this an older 26.5 one or a 28" one?

    You said it was brand new so I assume 28". These are really good guitars. Put a capo on your 1st fret. Fret the 24th on the low string. Use a feeler gauge to measure the distance between the low string and the 7th fret. Get it to 0.011". Get your action how you like it. I prefer 0.080" on the low string, 12th fret. Make sure the bridge follows the radius of the fretboard (I can't remember what the radius is on this model). Then set your intonation.

    It's hard to find someone that will set up an 8 string properly...
     
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  10. AxiomXIII

    AxiomXIII SS.org Regular

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    28inch scale
    The string gauges should be fine for 28 imo
     
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    erdiablo666 Do not go Djently

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    Should be fine yes. I use 0.009-0.0054 and a 0.074 with no issues.
     
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    Take it back and say it still has issues and make sure you point them out. Typically 7-10 would fall under a truss rod adjustment.

    Any good tech would take this back in and be able to rectify it or AT LEAST tell you why it's doing this. By the way, this is the exact scenario that made me learn how to do my own setups.
     
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    AxiomXIII SS.org Regular

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    Yea I'll contact the guy again and tell him.
    I managed to make the thing somewhat playable but it's still buzzing on said Frets mostly on the low B and still won't properly sound in tune

    This is a 1400$ instrument and Im having more issues with this than with my cheapo RGA guitars that I modded myself, it's a joke
     
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    My guess is a couple uneven frets
     
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    AxiomXIII SS.org Regular

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    Well I checked them with a steel ruler and a straightedge and they seemed to be even.
    No rocking or big gaps etc
    I really don't know what's the issue here
    I even added some relief to the neck myself, (didn't make big change, like a 1/4 turn only) it's a little better but still not perfect
     
  16. trem licking

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    you need to raise the action a lil more on those low strings if you want little to no buzz. I dealt with this issue on my 30" 9 string when i first got it cuz im used to having no buzz on 25.5" 6 and 7 strings. these extended range instruments are a different beast and higher action is the name of the game... especially on the longer scale lengths
     
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    It sounds to me like you need some neck bow. Perhaps that guitar tech was not experienced with low tunings.
     
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    The issue I experienced when I raised the action too high that the dropped power chords sounded off-tune. I'll try to raise it some more later
     
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    I added some neck bow 2 days ago and it was a little better. How do I know I got enough neck bow? Don't want to add too much. I never do adjustments bigger than a 1/4 on the truss rod
     
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    You have to compensate for action with intonation adjustment... You ran out of intonation adjustment range? I have the action on my 8 n 9 strings up to almost 3mm on the lowest string at the 12ish fret. To check neck bow, hold down 1st and last fret on the neck and look at the clearance between the 9th fret and the bottom of the string, should be the thickness of a business card... Tiny bit more than that is ok but that is ballpark where you wanna be
     

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