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Discussion in 'Pickups, Electronics & General Tech' started by narad, Jan 9, 2017.
Frank it's so good to have you on these forums
It's a volume reduction, yes, but with absolutely zero side effects. The tone is identical to what it would be if there were no attenuation. Just like if you turn your guitar's volume down with Fluence, the tone doesn't change, and they're full headroom so the dynamics are still huge. Not like a typical active pickup that's hard limiting and THEN you're turning it down.
I'll tell you what....
I went on tour playing bass for Unearth a couple years ago. Ken Susi, their guitarist, is one of Fishman's artist reps. While we were out on the road, Ken kept bragging on these pickups and saying how much i would love them, and how i gotta try them out and all that... i had already made up my mind that i hated them. i HATE active pickups. I've never once gotten a tone i liked from an EMG of any kind, or a Blackout, or whatever (don't get me wrong, there's artists that can make them sound great... i am NOT one of them haha), so i was expecting these to be exactly the same flat, sterile, cold lifeless tone i had come to expect from a battery.
After tour, he sent me the modern set and i very begrudgingly put them in my RG550. Again, expecting to hate them. I plugged it in and could not believe it. They really sound fantastic. Like, weirdly fantastic. All the dynamics of a passive, none of the downfalls of actives... i don't know how they did it, but they did it. They're legit, dudes.
Now i've got a set of the Classics in my 550 and i couldn't be happier. I like them way better than the Modern. The classic PAF voice is just insanely sick, very similar to an EVH brown sound. Sweet and crunchy, very dynamic, not too hot... totally awesome.
If ya'll have any questions feel free to ask! I've used the modern 6, classic 6, and modern 7 sets.
I'm ready to hear this KSE set. 3 voices so how would you go about wiring them up to make use of all 3?
whoa, 3?!?! i didn't know they were doing that! I assume a 3 way mini switch would be used.
I have been so close to pulling the trigger on a set of Fluence Moderns for a while. I was going to order a set for an ESP Eclipse to replace the 81 set but I think I'm going to hold off until after NAMM to if any of the new sets call my name.
Are the dynamics something that you currently work on improving? I think they're a huge improvement over all other active pickups, but still sound slightly compressed compared to passives. If Fluence pickups would reach the dynamics and openness of passives there would not be a reason to use anything else anymore.
Now my interest is thoroughly piqued!
Or, shall I don a new term?
"Frank you very much!"
Yeah man! Time to find a guitar to put these in.
I'm super hoping for a Caparison sig of that dellinger with the pickguard (and preferably the maple board one he has, not pictured). That would be my foray into Fishman
unsure why it's so small but there you go
it states in the write up that coils and rails are used, maybe a stock modern set photo was used and tosin actual set will look more like devin's
The Tosin set looks very promising, I'm definitely excited for those clips. So, instead of the coil splitting option there will be a 3rd voicing option for single coil tones? I'm hoping the 7 string version will be available in the passive sized shape as well.
The catalog also shows a Will Adler set: http://www.fishman.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_Product_Catalog_Retail.pdf
Sort of. What it really is, is 2 voices, and then when you engage the coil split, it automatically engages this 3rd voice that is dedicated to the single coil sound. Then, in Tosin's case we wire it up pretty custom. You don't have to do this. But he uses a super 5-way so that the 2 and 4 positions are automatically splitting to single coil, and combining different coils, etc.
Like when he talks about a tele-like neck pickup tone, we're splitting to alnico poles in the neck-side coil of the neck pickup, through "Voice 3" of that neck pickup. Then, for the other setting, we go to the inside coils, but feeding Voice 3 in the bridge pickup. It's pretty sick.
You can do all of those selections other ways, with push/pulls and mini toggles too. We just put them all on a 5-way super switch for Tosin's guitars.
That wiring is ridiculous I can't wait to hear proper demos of the single coil tones
Can't wait to try them out!
It's silly, but the one thing that would have me shell out the $$$ to try these would be if they came in white.
I just want to see these warlocks, the 2017 product info says one thing, the pictures show another, so happy these are coming in 6, 7, 8 string versions
+1 for more color/finish options!
I know those are signature pickups made to the specs of the artist behind them, but offering them in all color/finish options as the rest of the line would boost sales extremely nevertheless!
Would buy an Abasi and a KSE set immediately if they were available in brushed steel.
Only a couple of hours and we'll get to see them at the Namm demo, still hoping the product catalog is wrong and the pickups have poles showing and colour options