Tonex New Hardware Pedal

[RevDrucifer]

Clearer pic, for those who want to see details.

 

[RevDrucifer]

I think most people won't capture amps tbh. Once there's a collection of really well done version of amps everyone will just use those probably.

I got the ToneX stuff when it first came out, used it once just because I’d never checked out any kind of captures before and it kept crashing. I just used it again last night and….yeah, capture searching is NOT for me. Especially when I have 2 Fractal units to use. I’d MUCH rather dial something in from scratch than sort through thousands of shitty sounding captures I have limited tweakability with.

In my 40 minutes of using ToneX I already decided I’ll be capturing my own Fractal presets to load into the pedal cuz fuck that hunt. I can’t even fathom how some prefer to spend hours searching for a great sound instead of just making it themselves, but different strokes!

 

[RevDrucifer]

Interesting. The thread on TGP with screenshots got deleted. From what I could tell, there's no mic preamps on it, so I'm not sure how you'd capture the live amp unless you're only meant to capture the line out. That's disappointing. So now you need an interface, reamp device, DAW and computer 😭 I have all of that, but liked the idea of upgrading to their Capture device as it has a few more features my passive reamp box doesn't have. If you don't have all of that, the Kemper/QC is definitely still the better deal to have everything all in one.

It’s also 1/3rd of the price of the Stage/QC. The ToneX capture device is $250, so even going all in, it’s still cheaper than either two of those units you just don’t get the effects….which the QC is still running minimally viable effects and Kemper’s range from “I don’t like them“ to “They’re the best” depending on who you ask.

 

[ExMachina]

I got the ToneX stuff when it first came out, used it once just because I’d never checked out any kind of captures before and it kept crashing. I just used it again last night and….yeah, capture searching is NOT for me. Especially when I have 2 Fractal units to use. I’d MUCH rather dial something in from scratch than sort through thousands of shitty sounding captures I have limited tweakability with.

In my 40 minutes of using ToneX I already decided I’ll be capturing my own Fractal presets to load into the pedal cuz fuck that hunt. I can’t even fathom how some prefer to spend hours searching for a great sound instead of just making it themselves, but different strokes!

Yea, hopefully someone does the hard work for us. I just want to try some amps that aren't in my fractal. Of course I'll end up using the same like 5 presets I always do in the end, triaxis, savage, deliverance, rectifier, 5150

 

[RevDrucifer]

Yea, hopefully someone does the hard work for us. I just want to try some amps that aren't in my fractal. Of course I'll end up using the same like 5 presets I always do in the end, triaxis, savage, deliverance, rectifier, 5150

That’s EXACTLY why I bought it, I figured I’d find some good captures of Revv’s, Omega’s, etc…but I had to wade through a shitload of terrible sounding Fractal captures to even find anything and when I did….ugh. I’d most likely have better luck finding captures of just the heads and not the cabs because it mostly seemed like poor mic placement, but then I have to either use an IR plug-in or send the signal back into my AxeFX and it starts getting into more work than I’m interested in for studio use.

Once I have the pedal I’ll pretty much load up the amps once and never open the ToneX browser again.

 

[RevDrucifer]

 

[Guitarjon]

NO! STOP USING THAT GODDAMN PHRASE! There are already two floor units that use captures/profiles, it’s just another device doing the same thing with less features. The game is not changing. It’s the same damn game it has been. People make captures, release them, people search for them and use them. Same game that’s been occurring for over a decade.

Well, to me it IS a gamechanger! It's much more affordable than a Kemper or Quad Cortex (looking at it purely for the capture tech), it's also available as a plugin in your daw which none of the others do and on top of that the captures are actually very accurate for once! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the capture functionality of my QC and in some cases it's quite accurate but Tonex beats it every single time when I compare the two. So to me personally, it already has changed the game!

 

[Kyle Jordan]

Yea, hopefully someone does the hard work for us. I just want to try some amps that aren't in my fractal. Of course I'll end up using the same like 5 presets I always do in the end, triaxis, savage, deliverance, rectifier, 5150

GET OUT OF MY HEAD DAMN YOU!

These are almost exactly my thoughts. Just replace the rectifier and 5150 with the Herbert, Powerball, and CCV.

 

[vertibration]

Well, to me it IS a gamechanger! It's much more affordable than a Kemper or Quad Cortex (looking at it purely for the capture tech), it's also available as a plugin in your daw which none of the others do and on top of that the captures are actually very accurate for once! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the capture functionality of my QC and in some cases it's quite accurate but Tonex beats it every single time when I compare the two. So to me personally, it already has changed the game!

Using the term "game changer" now with new tech coming out all the time I think doesnt hold any weight. Line 6 isnt going to just sit there without addressing amp captures, and other free options sound better than tonex captures like GuitarML and NAM plugins on Github. Yes, both are in super early stages, and you have to use google cloud to help power a capture, but its not that hard to do. Ive captured a few plugins with both GuitarML and NAM and it was quite easy if you follow the directions. Also a lot faster than Tonex captures.

Now if you are playing live, the Tonex pedal is good to have definitely. Its quite unfortunate that the Tonex cloud, Tonex browser, and search functions for both Tonex and Amplitube are really bad. I really want to root for Tonex, I do. Its just painful to hear so many absolutely shitty captures in their cloud. At that point, a more simple loader like NAM, which was just updated with a built in IR loader, kinda blows away Tonex even at such an early stage if you compare both as just plugins

 

[vertibration]

They’ll most likely incorporate their Amplitube stuff into a future release making a Kemper Stage/QC competitor. I’m fine with this not having effects, I don’t even want what they’re including with it. I want to stick this on a pedalboard that I can use with or without amps, using all my own effects.


NO! STOP USING THAT GODDAMN PHRASE! There are already two floor units that use captures/profiles, it’s just another device doing the same thing with less features. The game is not changing. It’s the same damn game it has been. People make captures, release them, people search for them and use them. Same game that’s been occurring for over a decade.

I think NAM is better tbh.

Releases · sdatkinson/NeuralAmpModelerPlugin

Plugin for Neural Amp Modeler. Contribute to sdatkinson/NeuralAmpModelerPlugin development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Their facebook group has a really good amount of models as well.

 

[KnightBrolaire]

I'm playing around with the free version of the plugin right now and there's maybe a handful of captures from IK that actually sound good without tweaking. Most of the captures of amps I've played extensively irl (like the mark 5, dual rec, triple crown) sound significantly shittier than the real amps. The powerball and 5150 presets are solid though.
I made a few clips with my gretsch and mushok if anyone is interested:

 

[MatrixClaw]

It’s also 1/3rd of the price of the Stage/QC. The ToneX capture device is $250, so even going all in, it’s still cheaper than either two of those units you just don’t get the effects….which the QC is still running minimally viable effects and Kemper’s range from “I don’t like them“ to “They’re the best” depending on who you ask.

Not 1/3 if you don't own all the gear. You'd need:

- ToneX pedal - $500
- ToneX Capture (or another reamp device) - $250
- An interface (yes, the pedal is an interface, but it doesn't have a mic preamp), or - $200+
- A load box (if you just want to capture the amp without the cab) - $500
- A microphone (You'd need this for the QC or Kemper, too) - $100+
- A decent computer - $700

Total (sans-mic): $1650 - $1950

Sure, it will be a better deal for some, because they already have the majority of this gear, but not for those that don't. It's also far more convenient to have everything in one small, self-contained unit than it is to have multiple, much more complex, pieces.

For those who don't have any interest in doing captures themselves, then yeah, it's definitely a steal vs the competition. All you need is the $500 unit and any computer that'll load the software, vs needing one that has enough power to capture the amp. That's the thing though, they're parting out the pieces and selling it for "cheaper." It's smart, but I'm curious to see how many people actually adopt it over a modeler that DOES give you all the effects, as well.

Personally, I don't get the appeal of using captures made by other people. I've owned the Kemper. It sounds great, but could never get other people's profiles to work well for me because they're dialing them in with their own gear and the EQ doesn't react the same way the amp's does. The Kemper was always a great tool to profile tones I created and wanted to reuse, nothing more.

 

[RevDrucifer]

Not 1/3 if you don't own all the gear. You'd need:

- ToneX pedal - $500
- ToneX Capture (or another reamp device) - $250
- An interface (yes, the pedal is an interface, but it doesn't have a mic preamp), or - $200+
- A load box (if you just want to capture the amp without the cab) - $500
- A microphone (You'd need this for the QC or Kemper, too) - $100+
- A decent computer - $700

Total (sans-mic): $1650 - $1950

Sure, it will be a better deal for some, because they already have the majority of this gear, but not for those that don't. It's also far more convenient to have everything in one small, self-contained unit than it is to have multiple, much more complex, pieces.

For those who don't have any interest in doing captures themselves, then yeah, it's definitely a steal vs the competition. All you need is the $500 unit and any computer that'll load the software, vs needing one that has enough power to capture the amp. That's the thing though, they're parting out the pieces and selling it for "cheaper." It's smart, but I'm curious to see how many people actually adopt it over a modeler that DOES give you all the effects, as well.

Personally, I don't get the appeal of using captures made by other people. I've owned the Kemper. It sounds great, but could never get other people's profiles to work well for me because they're dialing them in with their own gear and the EQ doesn't react the same way the amp's does. The Kemper was always a great tool to profile tones I created and wanted to reuse, nothing more.

True, I tend to forget not everyone already owns that stuff. That said, those prices you listed, minus the computer, are pretty damn high and unless one has zero desire to ever record, they can serve multiple purposes.

 

[Shask]

I got the ToneX stuff when it first came out, used it once just because I’d never checked out any kind of captures before and it kept crashing. I just used it again last night and….yeah, capture searching is NOT for me. Especially when I have 2 Fractal units to use. I’d MUCH rather dial something in from scratch than sort through thousands of shitty sounding captures I have limited tweakability with.

In my 40 minutes of using ToneX I already decided I’ll be capturing my own Fractal presets to load into the pedal cuz fuck that hunt. I can’t even fathom how some prefer to spend hours searching for a great sound instead of just making it themselves, but different strokes!

That is why I never got into the Kemper. I would rather dial in what I want, instead of download /sort forever looking for a needle in the haystack.

 

[laxu]

Not 1/3 if you don't own all the gear. You'd need:

- ToneX pedal - $500
- ToneX Capture (or another reamp device) - $250
- An interface (yes, the pedal is an interface, but it doesn't have a mic preamp), or - $200+
- A load box (if you just want to capture the amp without the cab) - $500
- A microphone (You'd need this for the QC or Kemper, too) - $100+
- A decent computer - $700

Total (sans-mic): $1650 - $1950

Sure, it will be a better deal for some, because they already have the majority of this gear, but not for those that don't. It's also far more convenient to have everything in one small, self-contained unit than it is to have multiple, much more complex, pieces.

For those who don't have any interest in doing captures themselves, then yeah, it's definitely a steal vs the competition. All you need is the $500 unit and any computer that'll load the software, vs needing one that has enough power to capture the amp. That's the thing though, they're parting out the pieces and selling it for "cheaper." It's smart, but I'm curious to see how many people actually adopt it over a modeler that DOES give you all the effects, as well.

Personally, I don't get the appeal of using captures made by other people. I've owned the Kemper. It sounds great, but could never get other people's profiles to work well for me because they're dialing them in with their own gear and the EQ doesn't react the same way the amp's does. The Kemper was always a great tool to profile tones I created and wanted to reuse, nothing more.

You would need the loadbox with the QC or Kemper as well. I would expect most people to own a half-decent computer but then again I'm old enough that I don't consider a tablet or smartphone my primary computing device. Majority of Kemper or QC owners are not capturing their own amps so owning loadboxes and whatnot does not factor in.

I get the appeal of leaving your expensive amps home or in a studio and bringing a lightweight digital facsimile for live use, but personally I've sold all but one amp at this point so the appeal of the ToneX pedal to me is not that I can capture my own amps with it.

What appeals to me is that it's a compact, almost just "amps and cabs" box. Something I can put on a pedalboard rather than something that consumes most of my pedalboard like the QC or FM3 etc do. Not a full blown multifx unit (I have pedals I like), but just an amp/cab sim. Minimal menuing and so on. Compared to something like the UA pedals, the ToneX could function like those where it's just one really good amp. But just by picking the right profile, it can be any amp I want it to be rather than being locked to what the manufacturer offers.

Granted, finding the right profile(s) is its own challenge and the ToneX app's design can only be described as crap.

 

[Spinedriver]

It's too bad you can't capture other amp vsts, it would be amazing to be able to put a capture of the OTTO II II II in a pedal.

 

[RevDrucifer]

It's too bad you can't capture other amp vsts, it would be amazing to be able to put a capture of the OTTO II II II in a pedal.

Why can't you? Surely there's a way to route the audio into it. There's a shitload of Fractal and Kemper captures up there.

 

[narad]

Actually I wrote some code to basically do this, and a lot more, in terms of creating such data from any VST you can load into Reaper. I made it public if you want to check it out, but I haven't finished documentation for it:

GitHub - narad/tone-render: Code for programmatically generating timbre samples from VSTs

Code for programmatically generating timbre samples from VSTs - GitHub - narad/tone-render: Code for programmatically generating timbre samples from VSTs

github.com

 

[Emperoff]

NO! STOP USING THAT GODDAMN PHRASE! There are already two floor units that use captures/profiles, it’s just another device doing the same thing with less features. The game is not changing. It’s the same damn game it has been. People make captures, release them, people search for them and use them. Same game that’s been occurring for over a decade.

Yeah. Quad Cortex used biomimetic bullshit. Now THAT was a game changer.

 

[Spinedriver]

Why can't you? Surely there's a way to route the audio into it. There's a shitload of Fractal and Kemper captures up there.

Once it comes out, I'll definitely look into it. Putting some LePou amps, the Otto, etc... would be amazing if they sound relatively the same.