This is it. I'm done. (My last find an amp venture)

Discussion in 'Gear & Equipment' started by Bladed-Vaults, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. protest

    protest SS.org Regular

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    Check Guitar Center's used site. 45 day return policy and if you bring it back to GC they refund everything except for handling I think, which is like $25 maybe.

    For what you're looking for it seems like you want something that chuggs but still has musicality to it for the single note At The Gates stuff. To me that's going to be a Mark series (IV or JP-2C), Diezel Herbert, VHT, or KSR. All do the same stuff just do it differently.

    Mark- Tight, higher mid focus, pretty wide sound, super smooth on the neck pickup for leads, saturated without being excessive. Great clean.

    Herbert- *insert Trump pic* YUUGE. Bottom end could potentially kill you. Smooth mids, super saturated on CH3, CH2 is similar tone but less saturation and compression. Low mid focus. Great clean.

    VHT-Super Tight, super clear, not a lot of saturation, but boosting helps. Good usable lowend, better with a boost for leads, big sound, cleans are ok.

    KSR- Similar to a Mark when it comes to saturation (Colossus, Gemini has extra gain stage) and the smooth leads on the neck pickup. A little less clarity than the VHT due to more saturation and rounder tone. Tight without being bright. Low end, mids, and gain texture similar to Vintage mode on a 2ch recto. More of a narrow sound compared to the other amps but super thick. Great clean.
     
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  2. Bladed-Vaults

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    Just spent an hour with a mark5 90w .. the cleans were.... amazing. But it took a damn half hour to get it to not be a flubby pile. I play mainly 7s. But I took my Javier Reyes 608 to see how it handles the super low stuff. (My jr608 has fishmans its tight.)
    I still had to put a TS out front to get epic tone..

    Please someone tell me the JP does better at out of the box tightness
     
  3. protest

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    I never had them side by side, but the JP is a bigger, ballsier, more saturated amp and probably perceived as a little less tight than the V because of that.

    That said, it looks like that might have been your first encounter with a Mark series amp?

    Mark EQ for dummies:

    Bass: Low
    Mids: Mid
    Treble: High
    Presence: Low

    Set gain level. (Noon - 2:00)

    Set the 80, 240, and 2200 to their typical spots on the V curve.

    Bring the 750 all the way down and then pull it up as you play until you get the optimal scoop without killing your tone. Fine tune the 80, 240, and 2200 if necessary then set the 6600 slider.

    Adjust Mids and Presence for tightness/harshness, and tweak gain if necessary. Moving the gain by a lot will force you to have to adjust the settings, in specific the bass and treble controls.

    This will save you time in the future when trying out a Mark.
     
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    I noticed that. The gain knob did a whole lot to the whole overall tone.
    I found the mkIV had the best tone for metal.
    The iic2+ model had some really good master of puppets tone.. in fact I could get all the 80s thrash tones from it just from the bits I noodles with...(with the boost)

    Yes you are correct I've never played a mark series and I was a bit overwhelmed.

    That may have been my problem I didnt scoop the sliders at all.. i haven't used the smiley face eq since i was a beginner.. I like to push my low mids a bit T taper off to a flatter eq than most. Usually that let's the guitars tone speak through for me . I can try again tomorrow he's in town for a week.
    On my way to play an invader 2 and a twin jet uber right now... tones.. to he determined
     
  5. TheWarAgainstTime

    TheWarAgainstTime "TWAT" for short

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    On the Twin Jet, I usually have mine set with the depth around 3:00, master presence around noon or 1:00, master volume as needed, then the high gain channel set with the gain, mids, bass, and channel presence all at 1:00, treble around 10:30, and channel volume around 10:00. Absolutely savage :metal:
     
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  6. Cynicanal

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    That is a crazy amount of depth!

    I generally run master presence/depth around noon, then channel volume at about 10:00, presence at about 11:00, B/M/T at 12:30/11:30/12:30, gain at noon, assuming a TS-9 boost (my unboosted settings run much more channel presence and gain and a bit less treble and bass).
     
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    The important thing to remember with Marks is you're not scooping the mids, you're normalizing them. They have a ridiculous amount of mids for metal, unless you're doing djenty stuff. If you play it again just move the 750 slider around and see how drastically it changes the tone.
     
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    My mark v does everything I want it to.

    The trick with the mark is that the tone controls are before the distortion. So treat the tone controls like they're a boost pedal and treat the graphic equivalent like your normal tone controls.

    Rule of thumb for dialing it in:

    Set the bass to 0, everything else to 5. Tweak from there.

    Treble knob also increases gain. For more smoothness, turn down treble and turn up gain.
     
  9. BlasphemyMadeFlesh

    BlasphemyMadeFlesh Death Metal Droog

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    JP2C is the best amp MESA Mark series has made for metal yet, they have told me themselves. I still love mine after weeks of owing it, highly worth a tryout.
     
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    We have a winner folks.
    I played the bogner for about an hour and was sure it was gonna be the one. But I gave the invader a go just in case..

    I've read here that the invader is a jack of all trades but master of none.
    That may be the case with the old one but the second Gen invader is absolutely perfect (to me) in every aspect...

    I was gonna write a big essay on it but lol save it for the new amp day.... as well as a ngd cuz they managed to sell me a new km7.. the first Korean model with his new fishmans so I'm special for a few weeks at least.
     
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    USMarine75 The man who is tired of the anus is tired of life Contributor

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    Yeah it's a great choice. Congrats!
     
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    If you like the VHT CL, I am going to second getting aa pitbull ultralead.

    I've now had mine for 10+ years. In that time I've had plenty of other amps, but if there's one amp I will NEVER sell it's this one. It's amazing.
     
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    Damn, I just read this today.

    I recieved my Revv Generator 7-40 today and it blew the pants right off me. I was going to say +1 to Revv but I guess it's too late.

    Enjoy your Invader!
     
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  14. MetalHead40

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    Congrats! Always wanted to try an Invader 100. Owned a FB100 (Liked it), Savage 120 (Liked it more) but moved on from Engls. Love the tone and tightness but the feel was too stiff. Now playing a Bogner 20th shiva, a SPlawn QR drop B+, a KSR Ares, and a Fryette D60. The all just feel better to me. Tight but more fun to play.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, a be-all, end-all amp does not exist. Every amp I've owned has had something about it that I don't like. There's always a compromise.

    And just when you think you've found the perfect amp, something negative about it eventually creeps in, and you will notice it more and more until you either learn to live with it, or move onto another amp.
     
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    I've given the invader2 a good few days and feel i can start writing the NRD . I will say here I'm just as in love. As when i fooled with it at the store
     
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    Little late but I would’ve also recommended the JP2C. I play the same style of music. Very Swedish melodeath. I have also gone from owning an Engl Powerball(too fizzy) to a 5153(too grainy) to traveling to every guitar store within reach and trying out an Engl Invader, 6505, Deizel Herbert, Bogner Ubershall, Mesa Dual and MKV and Laney Ironheart. The JP2C has a “shred” switch which is a built in OD circuit. Tightest amp I have ever played. It handles lower tunings like a champ while delivering that crushing bass response due to the large transformer. And as with all Mark series, it will stand out in any mix. It will take a little patience dialing it in, but I got it dialed in, my search was over.
     
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    I find this true as well. That's why I own several different amps.
     
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    I'm keeping the it studio for obviousl convenience reasons.. I think the tiny version sounds better than the big one to my ears anyway..

    I've decided to keep the 5153 as a back up. And wall ornament

    The fireball is on it's way to it's new owner as we speak..
     

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