The Carvin / Kiesel thread

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  1. mbardu

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    Hey I get it now, it's basically a reverse-Kelly.
    The rounded bits are pointy, the pointy bits are rounded, and the curve in the body is inward instead of outward.

    It makes sense now. Explains why I reverse-love the shape as much as I love the Kelly shape :lol:
     
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    If you can live with the shape, it will still be a pretty great value (especially If you grab one during a sale). With the recent Jackson price increases it's going to become very hard to get a Jackson Kelly under 3/3.5k ... even before adding little things like "not black pleeeeease" or stainless steel frets.
     
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    I don't usually like but pointy guitars, but this is hot. Y'all are nuts :lol:
     
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    Reminds me of something the Flintstones would play, lol.
     
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    technomancer Gearus Pimptasticus Super Moderator

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    This was almost a really cool star design... almost.

    But hey, it includes its own butt plug :lol:
     
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    That headstock looks way better. If only they had something just slightly different/banana-ier.
     
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    There's their "GT headstock which is similar to this one but the points are softer...but that's as close as you'll get.
     
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    I've said this before (probably in this thread) but I don't think Jeff has anyone who can really design well. You can't just grab anyone and expect them to have the talent to come up with a super pleasing design. I'd love to see what they could do if they hired someone with Simon Padalka's level of talent to design for them. A really good designer can create a timeless design that they won't have to retire when the novelty wears off.
     
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    See that works. I said early to someone that it looks off, this clears it up.
     
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    Yeah, that's a hard no from me dawg.

    Jeff said he does all the designs himself, so I guess that about sums that up. Although to be fair I don't think I've seen anyone else in the game except Simon who's doing forward thinking, fresh designs that actually look good (to me).
     
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  12. Hollowway

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    Not many out there, but the strandberg is a good design, Skervesen has some cool ones, and oodles of bass designers. But, for something that people arguably buy mostly with their eyes, you’d think a company with the resources would hire a proper designer. And that’s not limited to Kiesel.
     
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    As with a lot of things Kiesel, I guess for them it boils down to "sure maybe, but on the other hand why would we bother?". Same category as the antiquated website for example. In the sense that they already have way too many orders as it is. More than they can manage. Enough that regular price increases don't even begin to slow the flow. Even if they were to have a lull in sales, just do a run or promo, and they pick up hundreds of orders without breaking a sweat.
    So they don't do it cause it has worked just fine thus far without doing it.

    Plus I suspect Jeff would prefer to keep the designs his rather than bring in other creative forces.
     
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    Oh yeah, Strandberg for sure. Probably the best and certainly most influential new design of the past decade or so. But they've also done not much new since the Boden took off, and personally I don't like the Salen at all. I think Ola found their winning formula and now it's just about expanding operations on it.
     
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    It’s interesting that you say that, when the Zeus came out I thought it was ugly as f and now I’m pretty sure it’s my favorite headless design out there He definitely has a unique design sense but they do seem to grow on people.
     
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    I like it. I'm not watching the whole video, did he say if it's possible to order without the counterweight (and hole)?
     
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    Although they don't have the program in to do that easily as a common option, it sounds like they can manually do it.
    However, it doesn't cost less (might cost more for manual labor), they don't encourage it, and it makes the guitar non-returnable.
    So I would really not recommend it.
     
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    Webbed Star, its ok but not my bag.

    Isn't the magic of an Explorer the skinny waist?
     
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    Yes to without the counterweight. I'm assuming the hole won't be there. But where are you going to store your M & Ms then?
     
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