The Carvin / Kiesel thread

Discussion in 'Standard Guitars' started by soliloquy, May 22, 2011.

  1. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire thy fart is murder

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    *sharpens pitchfork menacingly*
     
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    Wow that's...not my favorite design. As much as I don't like the lower bout or the not-quite-straight-not-quite-curved bottom end, it's the top bout I find to be the biggest offender. There's just too much of it and the angle/curve doesn't seem to compliment any other lines on the guitar. The headstock angles don't really work either because it looks a lot more aggressive than the rest. I do think the counterweight is a really cool idea though—especially if it's removable (which it appears to be).
     
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    7-string Floyd?
     
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    He didn't say yes or no, but I have to assume not since it's not on any other model.
     
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    Here's another, and they also have others available.

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    It is growing on my but no 8 is a downer. It'd be cool if they would do an 8 with evertune
     
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    I actually think this looks a lot better with it.
     
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    Better view of the belly-cut.

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    That's the standard headstock, also, just to note.



    More examples to be shown tomorrow, and then there will be a Thursday live video with Dan Jacobs who used a version of it in their latest video.
     
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    Well first of all ... called it.
    But then mostly big yikes.

    How did they manage to come up with both the worst Kiesel design and the worst Explorer design. At the same time. How?

    No ragrets for looking elsewhere, and my next Kiesel remains a Leia, then.

    Edit: it gets worse the more you look at it. Whyyy? Plus why add a counterweight instead of making it balanced if you know it's going to be an issue? And why not add it close to the bridge to at least pretend it has other benefits like sustain or whatever?
     
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    Well guess I’ll just swing this near-morningstar of a guitar then.
     
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    Yeah. So for some reason, I don't hate this. I can't quite articulate it, really. Having owned, loved, and sold a Gibson Explorer I wouldn't put this down as a definite 'no' as far as getting one. The original is hands down my favorite body shape, so metal and so comfortable to play. I think maybe what intrigues me is the 25.5" scale with a explorer-esque body shape. That was really the only thing I didn't really jive with on the Gibson...
     
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    That natural quilt top is a pretty dope piece of wood though. Quite a waste.
     
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    You can still try a Kelly or a Schecter E if you want something 25.5 scale and don't want to deal with such an abomination :lol:
     
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    ^^^LOL. I know. I have a cheap Dean Dave Mustaine "explorer" with the longer scale. I might just upgrade the hardware and electronics on that. That was the plan when I bought the Dean, just never got around to it yet. Ha.
     
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    Balance is a pretty wide-spread issue with explorers, sometimes even with larger, heavier bodies. They could have made the body larger, but that's not the guitar they wanted to build.

    Part of the reason would be that they would have to make it even heavier to have the same effect on balance since it'd be closer to the guitar's center of mass/rotation. Larger weight = more cost for the metal + more overall weight, and it's already heavier other neck-throughs.
     
  19. mbardu

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    I know all that. I'm just disapoint :lol:
    Although I had only looked at the pictures in this thread so far.
    Now that I'm looking at the video, I gotta say it's quite a bit better in movement than in those static shots.
     
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    He mentions the Floyd is for the 6 at about 10 minutes in the video.
     

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