The BAT-357String; This 7 string Guitar which was designed and built at PBC/Bunker Guitars

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  1. ElRay

    ElRay Mostly Harmless

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    What an awesome thread.
     
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  3. Dave Bunker

    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Heck, I may have played for your Dad, we played about every military club in the Pacific NW, they were very special audiences for my band since I just happen to be performing with 4 very pretty ladies. See band pic!

    I was taken to the very first Seahawk game. Strange evening and day, although we lost that first game. My band the Dave bunker Show was performing in the Edgewater hotel lounge that month and lo, and behold, who should be in our audience but Bill Bidwill, and his football big wigs, the owner of the team we were facing the next day in the King Dome, the St. Louis Cardinals. About halfway through the evening Mr. Bill Bidwill, guess that's how his name is spelled, came up to the stage, and asked if any of us wanted to go to the game the next morning. My guitarist and one of my singers said "wow" yes.

    We boarded one of three buses he had arranged and ended up rooting for our Seahawks with the owner of the opposing team, crazy huh!! He even bought us hats, banners, and about every other item for sale by the Seahawks. He must have had at least 40 seats reserved on about the 50-yard line and about ten rows up. I suppose he had a closed booth also, but he said to us, my team is lousy, so I am cheering for the Seahawks - interesting man, interesting day.
     

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    Awesome story! I absolutely LOVE the Pacific NW. I was born in San Francisco so I love Northern Cal (Oregon is beautiful too) and someday want to go back to visit. But I would love to visit Seattle again, especially the Space Needle and would love to go to a game. I did go to the Seahawks game with my father at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough (November 2016) when they beat the Patriots. My father is a Pats fan (he’s originally from Maine) but also loves the Seahawks so it worked out well :yesway:
     
  5. Dave Bunker

    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hi Shawn, yes it is a nice place to go but right now best to stay away. I'm going back up later this week and my family has me in an Air B@B just to keep me away from them, and the crazy going on in Seattle at this time.

    I will be working with my engineer Richard Wilson on the new Dave Bunker Touch Guitar electronics. This new Touch Guitar is about two pounds lighter, and simpler to manage for my buyers, also a lot more comfortable for players to hold and manage. As it has 20 individual coils, I have now made it so the Digitar pedal board will give you everything from surround sound in a room to individual separate musical instruments sounds on each of the 10-12 strings. Of course, some of this will come after the initial/basic touch Guitars is up and running.

    When this new technology is finished it will be available as well in my standard guitars and bases. You'll be able to watch the progress of this new instrument on - Www.bunkerguitar.com - as it moves through the building process, I'll probably build a separate page for it.

    GO Seahawks, a problem this year is, will they even play football!
     

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    ElRay Mostly Harmless

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    I love the single-string pick-ups. Joel over at Cycfi Research has been putting out a line of single-sting pick-ups for a while.
     
  7. Dave Bunker

    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Good morning ELRAY, What I have found with single-coil individual string pickups is that you must have something like the Bunker Guitars "Electronic Mute" to control the overtones or unwanted sound from them. They are absolutely the best in my eyes, especially if you use high-grade alnico magnets of the right value. If you don't there is way too much string pull, and too little you just can't get what you want in sound - it is a fine line - but when working is by far the best pickup you could ever get for a great range of sounds, from the hottest telecaster to the deepest blues, that is where it is at.

    For Touch/Tapping player, there is nothing that is better than the single individual coil pickups, controlled by muting out the noise and unwanted sounds, they just plain scream!! Ceramic 1/4 coils work, but are not even close to what the proper value Alnico can do!
     

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    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hello narad, a nice coin you threw in there. Scotty is one of my friends and one of the best luthiers I ever have had working for me. Scotty first worked for me in Pennsylvania when we were building American made guitars and basses for Ibanez. Very quickly Scotty really showed me his talents. It was Jim Donahue, another great builder, who most people know for his contributions to the guitar world, and who landed the contract to build the Ibanez Prestige line of guitars and basses at PBC.

    Scotty designed and built the Hen-Bev guitars in California, then moved his operation to Nashville. I've tried to get him back in my shop, but so far, no luck!!

    Thanks, narad for the welcome and the mention of Scotty, have a great day.
     

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    Scotty or Dave, I'm too old to become a Luthier, but I was wondering if you went to a school or had a mentor or just corrected your own mistakes on the road to becoming a guitar-builder?
     
  10. Dave Bunker

    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hi Seabix, I don't know your skills but it's never too late to be a guitar builder. I was forced into it because I was starting to perform on numerous stages, including the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas, and had a band of girls who needed something stylish, light, and easy to play. Since they were smaller ladies I decided they needed the tuning on the guitar bodies so they didn't have to reach so far. I also added fine-tune and added mics to their guitars so they could jump around and show off.

    As to learning to build guitars, there are now a number of luthier schools in almost every large city area, and on the web. I would talk to others who have used the one you choose, just to get their opinion. Also, part of my learning was in correcting my own mistakes over time! The first thing I did in becoming a somewhat amateur guitar builder was to design and build several different body styles. After they were built into guitars I weighed them and corrected the balances of each. I then chose one and built several for my band.

    Several years later I had taken a job at the Weyerhaeuser Timber Company in Enumclaw Washington (to survive my early years of trying to become a luthier). I had already started building some standard guitars and was approached by the Weyerhaeuser General Foreman and asked to take a walk with him. At first, it scared me out of my pants (maybe he was going to fire me!). But soon we were standing in front of a large building, looking at hundreds of 2x10 slabs of 12-year-old air-dried Western Maple. Scared as I was, the next thing I heard blew me out of my mind. He said, "I hear you are a guitar builder. This has been here drying for over 12 years, could you use it!" Wow, I had enough wood to build at least several hundred guitars.

    Unfortunately, we didn't have CNC routers in 1956, so it was quite a chore on a pin router to hone out the bodies, but that is just as it was. In those early days it was all handwork, and today even with the finest CNC, we choose to do all of the final work by hand.

    Another thing which I found out early, mostly by mistakes, was that balance, comfort, weight, and quality, feel, and sound, especially in the neck of the guitars, had to be right. This required long hours of testing and changing numerous items to really get the best out of what you were trying to build.

    There you go SeaBix, hope this helps.
     

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    Emperoff Hasta la vista, Baby Contributor

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    Cool stories, cool guitars, and cool people. What's not to love?

    I'm loving this thread. Welcome to the forum Dave!
     
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    narad Progressive metal and politics

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    Headless guitars in the 50s/60s??! This is blowing my mind.
     
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    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hello Elray, Thanks for asking, on the BAT 6, or 7 string guitar, as I am, like I'm sure many of us are in this forum, a small custom shop, I always build to the customer's specs. All of them have a "Tension Free necks", and I can build the nut to classical widths, and all other features to a customer's desires.

    Because I do not post my jazz/blues guitars "BAT @ NOVA" as most others do to keep the top from moving over time, these guitars produce a definite acoustic sound. The way I get this is by using what is called a "Wishbone" bridge system. (see picture)
     

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    Emperoff Hasta la vista, Baby Contributor

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    Man, and just today I see this for sale. Dos it ring any bells?

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    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hello Emperoff, thanks for the welcome. It is a great forum. Lots of great guests, love it myself. Obviously we are all kind of "guitar crazies", but isn't it a blast?

    My wonderfully "crazy times" started when I was 14 years old, and my folks decided I needed a guitar. Oh my, what they did was turn my life on end, but how sweet it has been.

    I think one of the greatest memories is when working alongside so many great entertainers, both in Las Vegas and Nashville, plus too many other places to mention. At the Golden Nugget, ten-year gig in LasVegas, it was almost every famous country artist I got to share the stages with. I was "the little guy who could", and that was probably because I had a very good looking band of girls playing instruments I had built for them. (see 1960's pictures).

    To Waylon, Johnny, Merl, Barbara, and too many others to mention, I say thanks, for the good times. I promise not to tell some of the questionable times! DB
     

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    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hello Elray, they really have many benefits, but require what I have discovered after using thousands of them from the 1960s to present. They must have good electronic mixing and pre-amp control to really get the most out of them. My newest board, designed by my friend and engineer Richard, on a PC board assy he calls the "Digitar Board", does wonders with these single-coil pickups. Thanks for the comment.

    Pictures are: Touch Guitar 6 string electronic muted pickup1-pic2: My single coils pickups for the tapping guitars. pic3: shows them mounted in two guitars.
     

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    You were the guy that ran the ground line through the neck, connected to each fret, so the string needed to be fretted to complete the circuit? That is a blast from the past.
     
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    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hello, Strtsmthng, On the BAT guitar, previously shown, you ask what scale did I go with. it is a 25.5-inch scale.

    I thought I'd like to discuss this newly posted 7 string guitar, I built several years ago. Interesting 7 string guitar. What we didn't put on this one was our individual bridge system, but the trem/full dump on it works very well. It is also a 25.5-inch scale, nut to bridge. It is equipped with a Titanium/Tension-free neck rod that eliminates any back bow when used as a full dump tremolo system. Users find that the Tension and adjustment of the TF neck, used by Ibanez on their Prestige line of guitars, is far more accurate and easy to adjust than the conventional truss rod.

    On my Tapping and Touch Guitars, I use a 25-inch scale string length. On my touch/tap basses I use a 32-inch scale.

    Thanks for asking, great forum
     

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    Awesome, thanks for the added info! I became aware of your TF neck approach when someone posted a USA made Ibanez, apparently crafted by you :)
     
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    Dave Bunker New 7+ string hex mute technology

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    Hello again, Emperoff. I thought I'd throw in a picture of a guitar that I'm just getting finished for a new guitar book soon to be published. It is being written as we speak and will be using this PS-2020 1960's Bunker ProStar as the centerfold. I will be announcing the author and the book when it is ready to be published. You'll love it! Lots of guitars I have never even seen before.

    I will be building both 6 and 7 string models of this guitar. I already use the hex individual pickup in all of my Dave Bunker Touch Guitars, and the guitars shown here.

    Pictures are the white PS-2020 in work for the new book centerfold. The second picture is a blue "Symmetrical neck" hex guitar GTX played by the great artist Eddie Van Halen at several NAMM trade shows. The third picture is one of two instruments played by my band for 10 years in Las Vegas, at the Golden Nugget and the Showboat Casino Stages.
     

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