Tabs blocked on Ultimate Guitar?

Discussion in 'General Music Discussion' started by Spaced Out Ace, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. Spaced Out Ace

    Spaced Out Ace 0 0 1 0 0 6 5 0 3\

    Messages:
    7,901
    Likes Received:
    3,936
    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Location:
    Washington
    So apparently now (or perhaps it has been a thing for awhile) songs are being blocked on Ultimate Guitar. Specifically, I was looking up Yes - Owner of a Lonely Heart to learn it. Instead, when I click on the tab, I get this:

    upload_2021-4-6_20-47-47.png

    Sorry, but I'm not buying the tab book, which for a lot of classic 70s / 80s artists, the tab books are not great, hard to find / OOP (and thus expensive), or never produced to begin with.

    This is kind of odd, to be honest.
     
  2. Dumple Stilzkin

    Dumple Stilzkin SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,002
    Likes Received:
    1,115
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2005
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    That’s really lame.
     
    The SG King likes this.
  3. diagrammatiks

    diagrammatiks SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    4,697
    Likes Received:
    5,153
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2010
    Location:
    china
    It’s up to the artist or the company that owns the rights.
     
    VGK17 and AxeHappy like this.
  4. Dayn

    Dayn SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,758
    Likes Received:
    766
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2011
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    Copyright. Producing tablature of a song is a form of reproduction of copywritten material and when done without permission it's copyright infringement.

    Which is especially dangerous for places like UG whose business model relies on ad revenue and associated income streams derived from the provision of tablature, most of which is not official. They can't claim safe harbour provisions if they willingly let unauthorised tablature be posted in order to profit from it.
     
    AxeHappy likes this.
  5. elkoki

    elkoki SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    964
    Likes Received:
    414
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    This isn't anything new.
     
  6. BenjaminW

    BenjaminW SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,203
    Likes Received:
    1,472
    Joined:
    May 9, 2017
    Location:
    San Francisco, California
    I agree it's lame.

    For some reason, it's only the Owner of a Lonely Heart tabs that don't work because I tried to see what other Yes songs such as Yours is No Disgrace and Roundabout had the same issue, and apparently they don't have this problem. RATM also does this because for as long as I can remember the Killing in the Name tabs have had this warning. Meanwhile Bulls on Parade is fine.
     
    StevenC likes this.
  7. mongey

    mongey SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    2,883
    Likes Received:
    637
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2012
    Location:
    the gong - Australia
    I can see why the tabs may be blocked by the publisher , even if think it’s super petty

    But the chord charts are also blocked which is weird as you can’t copyright a chord Progression.
     
    AxeHappy and Hollowway like this.
  8. Hollowway

    Hollowway Extended Ranger

    Messages:
    14,802
    Likes Received:
    8,338
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2008
    Location:
    California
    I’m not in complete disagreement with this, in that too much of musicians’ worth is expected to be free, but I’m not sure I understand it. This is an interpretation of what the musician is playing, not the actual music being played. I mean, anyone can transcribe the material. It feels like, if this is the case, I am not allowed to describe in detail what happened in a movie, or I could get into trouble for a copyright violation. Again, I’m not against it, as much as I don’t understand it.

    Furthermore, how are people allowed to play the actual song, without permission, and get away with it? We keep hearing about politicians (ok, Trump) using songs without the artists permission. Yet nothing comes of it, other than the artist saying, “stop it.” You’d think playing the actual song would be more illegal.
     
    setsuna7, The SG King, Masoo2 and 6 others like this.
  9. John

    John New album out now: https://goo.gl/PdPVYh

    Messages:
    898
    Likes Received:
    2,373
    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2016
    I get that several musicians do this as a way to make others buy their transcribed stuff, whether it's published on their own or through the likes of Sheet Happens. Part of it is disheartening for those who have gone out of their own way to share what they have taken the time to transcribe.

    On the other hand, it's even more disheartening (and at times, just risible without mincing words) to see that type of tactic applied despite the aforementioned transcriptions for profit from the musician(s) in question being actually less accurate, less encompassing, and/or overall falling short compared to the work some independent guy or girl posted on those more ubiquitous tab sites instead.
     
  10. AwakenTheSkies

    AwakenTheSkies SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    208
    Likes Received:
    186
    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2018
    Location:
    España
    That's really sad to see. UG and tabs were everything for me when I was starting. And now that I finally own GP 7.5 I make my own tabs!

    There's no fucking way I would've bought or asked my parents to buy a DIGITAL tab book from the Internet when I was a kid. I don't see how this benefits anyone at all, just making things harder for beginners.
     
    setsuna7 and BlackMastodon like this.
  11. Louis Cypher

    Louis Cypher SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    2,890
    Likes Received:
    1,993
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Location:
    UK
    I do agree that too much of a musicians work is expected by the public to be freely accessable and Politicians like Trump using tracks without permission makes things worse, is a cease and desist order really worth it after your track has been used at a rally?? But then this situation does seem weird, to come down on a tab site like this but to do nothing for example about Youtube and the number of unoffical uploads of Owner... there. There does need to be a huge overhaul of the music industry and the rights of the legal owner of individual songs or music being respected and enforced, but its prob way too late now especially with the tech/Internet giants control of political policy for their own benefit (see facebook basically holding the entire country of Australia to ransom over news feeds). Regarding Youtube it has always surprised me that the record companies themselves have never come down hard on them in the past over all the unoffical, basically pirtate uploads of songs and entire albums.......
     
    Hollowway likes this.
  12. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

    Messages:
    38,141
    Likes Received:
    29,793
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2008
    Location:
    Racine, WI
    A lot of the publishing and distribution deals were struck before the internet, and more specifically tabs on the internet, were a thing.

    I think it's unfair to blame the artist, especially an old act like Yes, who couldn't see the future of tablature sites.

    Really, it's publishers who lord over the rights that should be getting the pushback, at least in as far as working on some sort of licensing agreement that would allow for free use by casual players.

    All that said, there are probably dozens, if not hundreds, or free to watch YT vids on how to play this song, many with tabs, so it's not like this is going to stop anyone who wants to learn in earnest.
     
  13. ScottThunes1960

    ScottThunes1960 SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    52
    Likes Received:
    52
    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2018
    It’s been a few years, but it used to be that UG still hosted the tabs for viewing by IP addresses originating in non DMCA-observing countries. Just throwing it out there.
     
  14. X1X

    X1X SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    109
    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2020
    Official tabs are more often very wrong and sometimes I really wonder what the transcriber was thinking (probably his paycheck and beer). The point being that if UG tabs are blocked then it's possible there are no worthy tabs available. A Russian tab site is probably needed.
     
  15. soul_lip_mike

    soul_lip_mike SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    467
    Likes Received:
    615
    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2006
    Location:
    Reston, VA
  16. Spaced Out Ace

    Spaced Out Ace 0 0 1 0 0 6 5 0 3\

    Messages:
    7,901
    Likes Received:
    3,936
    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Location:
    Washington
    Sure, but the first one I checked out was wrong. It didn't even take long, either. The first riff is simple as hell, and it was wrong. I moved on, but I'll likely find another one.
     
  17. coreysMonster

    coreysMonster Abrakadabro

    Messages:
    1,078
    Likes Received:
    425
    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Location:
    Pangaea
    UG used to be hosted in Russia, where the owner is from. I'm guessing they moved their hosting to the cloud, which means playing by US copyright rules now because all the big cloud services are owned by American companies.
    They've struggled a few times with copyright claims over the years, and at one point even had to remove all their tabs temporarily while sorting out legal issues.

    That Russian site is UG (unless that was a joke)
     
  18. aesthyrian

    aesthyrian SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    924
    Likes Received:
    725
    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2009
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    Yep, this is the same shit that killed powertabs ages ago.
     
  19. NoodleFace

    NoodleFace Delicious Noodles

    Messages:
    783
    Likes Received:
    642
    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2007
    Location:
    Somerset, MA
    I think this is lame, it's been happening to a ton of bands that have been published at sheethappens

    Not gonna go out and buy your dumbass tab book
     
  20. StevenC

    StevenC SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    5,428
    Likes Received:
    5,462
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Location:
    Northern Ireland
    I second this! Go learn a better song like Yours is No Disgrace, Sound Chaser or Tempus Fugit.
    I would say it's definitely not Yes because they have seen how important modern internet routes are to increasing their visibility and value with Roundabout's success from Jojo. Or at least Jon Anderson has, and none of the current Yes enterprise was on that song except Alan White.

    Though I'd happily blame Trevor Rabin for this in particular.
     
    BenjaminW likes this.

Share This Page