So EMG 81-7 vs passives

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  1. Oceandrinksboat

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    I know that the masses are going to say any passive is better than actives but..

    since I already have EMG 707tws in my guitar , I don't want the Hassle of the whole switch from active to passive (maybe when I have more money so I can do it right) so I just want to know how would an 81-7 (specifically the 7-string version) would stand up to a D-Activator, Nazgul, or illuminator, etc.

    and don't compare to the Bare Knuckle Master Race.
    because come one.
     
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    More compressed, more "processed" sounding, brighter, tighter.

    There you go :lol:

    If you don't want to convert to passives you could try the 57/66 as well.
     
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    Wouldn't you rather compare the 81-7 to the 707 instead of 3 *completely* different sounding passives?

     
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    I don't have a $3k amp but from what I can tell EMGs with 18v mod are very comparable to most high output passives. Much louder output with less noise, slightly different tone that can be compensated by pedal/amp settings. Honestly if you're tight on cash and already have 707s installed I wouldn't even bother switching pickups.
     
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    I have found this video comparing the D Activator 7 bridge and the 81-7 using a Kemper ProfilinG amp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX7NSCcrPJA

    I don't have experience with the 7 string standard EMGs, but I do with their 6 string X series, the 6 string 57/66 set, and the D Activator 7 set. I really like the X series for their openness, added headroom, and improved cleans. However, I was sold on their 57/66 set. They were just clear enough for my taste, responsive, and very clean. The 57 sounds like a mix of the 81-X and the 85-X, while the 66 reminds me of a calmer, sweeter, cleaner alnico version of the 60-X. For the D Activator 7 set, the neck is brightish, but very chime-like and clean, while the bridge is very bright, tight and present, and can have an ice-picky lead tone if you don't EQ your amp carefully; the set is very versatile, but it simply excels in metal.

    With that being said, what exactly are you looking for? What are the 707TW's not doing for you?
     
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    Well I already have the 707s and I know how much better the 81-7s sound.

    So I'm curious how would the 81-7s stand up to a Well known Passive
     
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    Excellent Response.

    Well the the 707TWs bridge just sound too compressed,its not bright enough imo.
    Ive tweaked until I have a nice tone, but A better pick up will also do me justice.

    I love the Split Coil option but mainly on the neck pup
     
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    Thank you! By the way, what kind of guitar do you have?

    Personally, I think you should try out the 57-7 for the bridge. I don't think it will be able to be split though. If you like the tone on the neck pickup, and maybe just want more dynamics, I'd go for the 707TW-X. However, that's if you want to stay with active pickups.
     
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    I'll probably switch the neck for a 57-7 and Bridge with a 81-7, and just remove the split coil. I have a schecter Hellraiser c-7
     
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    IME, the 81-7 is a much better sounding pickup than the 707. It's a lot tighter and considerably clearer and brighter.
     
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    It depends on the guitar. A friend of mine has one of the new Jackson SLATs (mahogany) and the 707 sounded muffled and dead. On mine (older model, alder) the 707 sounds much better. In fact, I traded the 81-7 for a 60-7 and put the 707 on the bridge, because the 81-7 sounded characterless and boring. Tight, defined and clear, but boring.

    This explains it all. Full mahogany guitars + 707 = Not the best combination.

    If you don't like 707's compression, the 81-7 is MUCH worse. You'd better off with passives, or perhaps this:

    http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/high-output/retribution_78/
     
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    Funny you mention that, I had one in an Alder ESP NT7 and I thought it sounded tubby and crappy. I went passive, though looking back I should have just bought an 81-7X and a 60-7X (or maybe an 85-7X) and called it a day.
     
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    Ive heard that alot and seen the comparisons, the 81-7 is better than the 707 by far
     
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    I'll forsure try a 81-7 before making the switch
     
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    Says who? ;)

    There is no "better". Try both and decide which one you like the best. :agreed:
     
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    Makes sense, since the 707 is a relatively flat pup, so putting it in a bassy/thick sounding wood can be a problem.

    You need to match it to the tone of the guitar.
    Something thinner or more neutral would sound better with the 707.
     

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