School me on the Mesa Dual "Racktifier"

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  1. viifox

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    There's a blackface dual rec rackmount for sale locally, and i was thinking about buying it.

    What's the history on these rack versions? Any truth to these being the best sounding rectos? Do they have that inherent fizz, and need to be cranked to sound good?

    School me people!
     
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    Taylor2 Do you even lift

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    Racktifiers are one of the most sought after amps in the entire history of their lineup. Buy it, if you don't like it, sell it for more than you paid for it, because someone will absolutely snatch that up. Me included.
     
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    What makes them so desirable? Is there really that big of a difference in sound?

    Btw, the guy wants $1200 for it. Good deal?
     
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    Taylor2 Do you even lift

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    I guess to actually answer your question, I found Racto's to be a little darker, saggier and more of a throaty midrange than the following generations. The newest Recto's are tighter and brighter.

    I'd buy it for 1200 personally but it's different up here.
     
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    All the rack mounts were revision G right?

    I have heard some evidence-free forum lore about how the rack mount ones were special in some unquantifiable way, but I really kinda doubt they’re any different from a head version of the same revision. Maybe they get hotter since all that stuff is crammed into a smaller chassis. My recto does sound better once it’s hot.

    At this point, you could get two revision G rectos next to each other and they’d sound different, due to component drift over the years, different tube compliment, maybe some undocumented circuit changes thoughout the production cycle, a little placebo effect, etc.

    Most desirable? I guess that’s down to the individual. Many say the pre-500 are the most desirable. Depends what you’re looking for.

    Rare and valuable? Yes, price is only going up for these old rectos.
     
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    Rev F and G I believe, depending on when it was made.

    Even though there's a pretty big degree of variation between rectifiers over the last 25 years, they all still sound like rectifiers (pre-500 may be an exception, no personal experience with them). I've played dual recs for 10 years and my 2 cents is if you hate any iteration of rectifiers, you probably won't love any other iteration. With that said, if you like rectos in general, the racktifier is a great one to pick up.
     
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    I think the ractifiers have different transformers? That would make a difference in sound.
     
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    This.

    Triggered my fuzzy memory, that maybe that Rackto's still had Mark series transformers...or maybe just certain serial numbers did?
     
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    I’d be surprised if they had special transformers for the rack rectos, Mesa seems to use what they have, which is why mark iii output transformers were used in rectos well into the Rev G’s.
     
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    Yeah, i think thats what they used for the racktos.
     
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    The Rackifier should be the same as the same revision of the normal head. The board and transformers and such are the same. They did have to arrange some things differently to get it call to fit.

    That said, there is something to the idea that different Rectos sound different. I have had two Rev G Rectos with serial numbers separated by about 1000, and I swear they sounded pretty different.
     
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    It's a great amp. Class dismissed.
     
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    How are the cleans?
     
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    I'll disagree with this statement. The most sought after Rectifier models are the sub-serial #250 Revison C Duals. Which is why they sell for $3000+. Not the Racktos. After the Rev C Duals, the Rev D Duals and early Rev F Triple would be next on the list of the most desirable and collectible... followed then by the later Dual/Triple Revisions and Rackto-fiers.

    As for tone, I'd take a Rev C Dual or early Rev F Triple any day over any Rackto.

    People mainly buy these for their rack setups or because they saw a pic of Kirk Hammett's rack from the '90s with two in it. There are better sounding Rectifiers... including the newest Multi-Watt versions.
     
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    Recs do clean?
     
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    Yep.
     
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    It's kind of a joke.
     
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    The clean tone or the question?

    In other words, I got it. :lol:
     
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    Hmm, maybe slightly good, but I think mostly about par. As Wizard said, it's only sought after as a slightly rarer Rev G sort of thing. A lot of guys advertise Rev G like it's super hard to find, but you can pretty much find one whenever you want one. It's the Rev C/D/F that you have to properly wait around for (or pay $2500+).

    That said, if you don't hop on it, I'd appreciate if you give me a shout. I've been on the lookout for a Rev G or multi-watt and the racktifier would be easier to fit in my amp shelfs. Would likely try to offer below $1200 though.
     
  20. HeHasTheJazzHands

    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    Also John Sykes and Petrucci. 2 other guys that have a pretty loyal following.

    Low build numbers, several big names that use them... Recipe for a myth. :D
     
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