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Discussion in 'General Music Discussion' started by Esp Griffyn, Jan 30, 2016.
So is telling a mod to .... off.
I think there's a lot of truth in this, but still believe it utterly necessary there is an enormous fallout from this level of stupidity/arrogance/ignorance/offensiveness/historical illiteracy, since it is linked to an evil and disgusting way of looking at the world.
A ban should be conform to the forum rules, not to an opinion, yes.
I agree with this assessment, should still face the long overdue consequences of his actions. I don't believe Anselmo is racist and is in fact, a good guy - but it doesn't mean anything.
I think, Phil is a very "angry" person and this includes self-distructiveness.
I was just trying to understand, if there's a chance to really change his mind or not, but I fear, you need to be his psychiatrist to have answer to that question.
Drugs and alcohol don't make you racist, they remove inhibitions. Phil seems stupid enough to be racist, but maybe just on the fence about being savvy enough to know when to keep his mouth shut. Something that drugs and alcohol can further give a shove on.
If he wants to be the "extreme" dude and say racist stuff, then why apologize?
Also, I see people pointing out inconsistencies in terms of him saying racist things and then having relationships with people who aren't or aren't fully white. That's going to happen. Racism is a product of ignorance and blindness, it doesn't make sense, so it's proponents will simply follow suit.
There are plenty of racists who will befriend someone who isn't white, but then have some kind of distancing with that person as an individual. That alone is enough to undo the ridiculous basis for racist thought, but again, they mad dumb.
I mean honestly....is anyone surprised? Really?
Personally..and I really mean this ...anyone with any shred of intelligence after reading the lyrics to Far Beyond Driven would have put down that cd and walked faaaaaaaaar faaaaaar away from that band.
When I was growing up EVERY person that listened to that band in my school ended up an alcoholic or a drug addict .....and not WOO HOO! party types, just total trailer park material.
I mean just listen to this guys rant on the middle east FFS
At the time of this interview I doubt he could even tie his shoelace let alone go hunting extremists.
At the same time...he has been saying the same .... on stage for YEARS.
Why does everyone have a problem with it now? The band didn't seem to mind when the whole "STRONGER THAN ALL" bravardo took over the hair spray and the spandex.
As long as it was lining the pockets with $$$....
I don't think this is true. I read that Dime and Vinny weren't happy at all with the lyrical direction Anselmo was taking after FBD. They wanted to have fun and party and thought the lyrics were going way too dark (this is something I read in a magazine article about Dime a couple of years ago so don't quote me on this).
Speaking of which, I just read the lyrics to Far Beyond Driven, and the jarring shift in tone from Throes of Rejection to Planet Caravan (their Sabbath cover) is hilarious.
That's not how music works.
You're asking the wrong question- being able to get away with something previously doesn't excuse it now. We should instead be asking the question "why did we not have a problem with it before?" I'd venture that his views/behavior were less visible to casual listeners up to this point- Either because he wasn't literally doing the salute at shows or because he's kept his outbursts to less visible occasions. Maybe to someone who followed their behavior, went to all his shows, etc., it's obvious that he's racist, but this is a case of not just having the view, but expressing it blatantly and publicly, which by chance was broadcast to a huge audience. Maybe nothing would have happened if the video hadn't been posted- but it's inappropriate whether it's been called out or not. If he really has been shouting the same things, doing Nazi salutes at shows, etc., then it's only by luck that he hasn't been more publicly called out on it before this point.
Certainly did in my town
Maybe you can counter the argument with some examples of Pantera fans really killing it in life?
Its been going on for YEARS
Oh they couldn't get enough of it, Vinnie especially to go along with the whole "bad boy" image....but when the snake (Phil) turned around and bit them only then was it a problem.
At the end of the day Phil is honestly just a harmless loud mouth...there are thousands of things going on in the world far worse. Its only in this day of SJW's and social media lynching that its an issue.
Most people with any brains passed on this band or his views a LONG time ago.....
I last saw Pantera back in the late 90s with a group of friends that I am still close with. Where are they now?
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Completely anecdotal, but we made out ok.
Maybe your town just sucks?
Well, your hometown location is "hell," so that makes sense that the kind of people from your neck of the woods who like Pantera would end up as miserable, do-nothing f*cks. But I assume the same out of any small town a musician would call hell. Probably lots of ICP fans in your area, too, no?
Probably a whole lot of your favorite metal guitarists today?
Actually no, lots of white kids wearing COMPTON hats selling weed thinking they were Pablo Escobar
That's good they are doing what they love but not what I think of in terms of "killing it" in life.
That's pretty apple from the tree anyhow.
I'm a Pantera fan, and I've got a great job. I make video games for a living.
My point wasn't that he wasn't racist, or wasn't showing it- but rather that it hadn't been spotlighted. Casual listeners, or fans who don't pay close attention (myself included) didn't see it happening until now.
I think it's just matter of social background and personal socialisation. It's similar to computer games ... not every shooter player becomes a homicidal maniac , a few do though
Please keep your made-up crap to yourself. The internet is bad enough already.
That fits the description of a Juggalo, yes?