PC amp sims that rivals axefx/kemper?

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  1. vejichan

    vejichan SS.org Regular

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    As a bedroom player..which amp sims for pc can hang with the axefx and kemper for high gain progressive metal? Also which monitors, will make those amp sims come to life?
     
  2. noUser01

    noUser01 Still can't play.

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    I can't say for sure what rivals either unit because I don't personally think any do. There's a pretty big tradeoff in the software market between sound quality and flexibility, whereas the AxeFX, Kemper, and Helix all seem to have far better ratios in that department. However, if I were you I'd hold out for the Helix software. That's probably going to be the best sounding and most flexible modeling software you can find, once it drops.
     
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    jerm SS.org Regular

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    Yamah HS5/7/8 are very good for the price.

    As for amp sims:

    Ignite Amp Emissary: Free and REALLLYYYYY GOOD

    Lepoue has a bunch that are free and really good.

    TSE X50 - 6505 amp sim that is awesome, it's cheap too.

    Revalver is cheap also and very good.
     
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    Mathemagician SS.org Regular

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    This thread pops up every 2 months. That said, for how cheap it is, TSE X 50 is amazing. It has a fantastic 6505, and another really nice sim I use for cleans. But its basically just the one amp. I'd also wait until the Helix VST comes out.
     
  5. shnizzle

    shnizzle johnny

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    imo TH3 is the best amp sim out there right now on pretty much every aspect.
     
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    I'm a huge fan of Kazrog's Thermionik, Overloud's TH3, and TSE's X50. Scuffman's S-Gear also seems to get a ton of praise.

    Do any of these compare to an Axe FX/Kemper? I'd argue no. The quality is there (at least 90%), but the feel and response of the Axe FX/Kemper are missing.

    I'm very excited for Line 6's Helix Native though.

    EDIT: Can't forget Toneforge and ReValver 4
     
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    Keel SS.org Regular

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    They are making a helix sim? What rock have I been hiding under?
    But +1 for thermionik. Not a super pretty interface but the tones are solid. Not as good as an axfx or kemper (I've never used either so I'm just assuming), but hey it's not 2000 dollars.
     
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    will_shred Wannabe audio engineer

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    I've been using bias for like 3 years now and I really enjoy it, its pretty damn close to axe-fx level quality relative to the price.
     
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    Aymara SS.org Regular

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    I combine BIAS with BIAS FX and find it good enough for jamming and composing. And I like being able to switch between iPad and Desktop version, which is pretty unique.
     
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    Yes I use biasfx for iPad....I have thermonik, tse x50... was wondering any others ?
     
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    Crescendo Surgical

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    Stick to one particular simulator, at least at a time, and make the most out of it.
     
  12. Fretless

    Fretless Knob Fiddler

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    None of them will be on par to be 100% honest, but some will definitely get you close. Bias will get you close, as will revalver 4. A few other free ones can too.
     
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  13. KingAenarion

    KingAenarion Resident Studio Nerd

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    I'd be checking out the Presonus Monitors, they're actually disgustingly good for how cheap they are.

    The closest you're going to get, as has been said, is Bias or Revalver.

    If the Helix software is anything like the real thing, then that's going to be killer.
     
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    For me and many others here best ones are:

    Overloud TH3
    TSE X50
    Kazrog Thermionik
    Peavey Revalver 4

    I stay away from Positive Grid's stuff because their modelers just don't feel natural to play and knobs don't react to tweaking in a proper way how they should.

    For monitors Yamaha HS-series or JBL LSR's, both are good for their price and highly recommended in everywhere.
     
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    Can you give an example for this thesis, because I didn't find one, that misbehaves.

    PS: I'm using the iPad and macOS versions. Are you on Windows?
     
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    Not the original poster of that comment, it's just that many of us don't give with the feel or sound of BIAS. It feels overly artificial when even compared to many of the least realistic feeling plugins like Amplitube and POD Farm (which I don't understand all of the hate for, it's been used on so many albums with amazing results).

    BIAS just has a dull feel and weak response to it that I never could get rid of with any amount of tweaking or post-processing.

    I'm not sure what he meant by the knob complaint, maybe that the amp's controls do not respond like a real amp should or something like that.
     
  17. Winspear

    Winspear Tom Winspear

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    Scuffham is fantastic
     
  18. Metropolis

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    Maybe both are the reasons why.

    Yes, on Windows 10 and Reaper. Tested also with 3rd party impulses.
     
  19. Aymara

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    Let me guess ... you are a Windows 10 user too?

    I ask, because for me it's the other way round, Amplitube is worse than BIAS FX on iOS and macOS.

    It seems it's much worse on Windows, than in the Apple world, which wouldn't astonish me much, because it was first released on iOS and then ported to the desktop.
     
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    Considering its free, the Ignite Emisarry, hands down! Blows the Lepou stuff out of the water, and the general character of the amp sim is awesome, its really agressive yet thick.
     

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