Ormsby HypeGTR 8 vs. Ibanez RGIF 8?

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  1. UniverseOfTheMind8

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    Trying to decide which to get, which is built better and sounds better?
     
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    Hype every single day.

    If we add MIJ Ibanez in the mix I'd have to think about it more.

    But versus Iron Label, Hype every single ....ing day.

    The pickups are excellent, the extra step of quality control in Australia irons out any issues. The stainless steel frets seal the deal.
     
  3. UniverseOfTheMind8

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    Excellenttt, I found the Ormsby much sexier but just wanted to make sure it was better. With their being no fanned fret MIJ Ibanez right now i'll definitely go with the Ormsby
     
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    I've seen at least 3 or 4 of the Hypes both first and second run with fretboard edges that look like snickers bars, so I don't place a tremendous amount of faith in the "additional QC" sales pitch.
     
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    What do you mean by "look like snickers bars"? That's a confusing comparison! How many have you seen overall, or of interest?

    No hate, btw - genuinely curious.
     
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    I have played a few of them now as a store close by have a few. They are amazing and frets are great, nothing wrong with them at all.

    plus comparing them to the Iron label stuff they are far superior, the fact they are using SS frets and passive pickups is more then enough to make the choice over ibanez.

    plus trow in there some ebony board, hipshot hardware including locking tuners, coil split, and a range of color and finishes.

    I always hated that grey "dirty" look of those ibanez

    also the fan is bigger on the Hypes, 25.5"-27.2" on the Ibanez vs 25.5"-28.2" on the Hype



    as QC "sales pitch". Its not a pitch. I have see it, we all have on the facebook group, live stream and many photos of it
     
  7. EarlWellington

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    There's a post on here of a guy who got a violent crumble GTR with paint finish blemishes on the front of the body, there are a number of guitars with very uneven fretboard edges, and quite a number of pickup issues. While I know they do the QC, and like you have seen them do it on their FB page, there are still guitars getting sent out with issues.

    I think they're awesome guitars for the money but too many people are caught up in the "hype"
     
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    yeah it could be the case too. I saw that post, but not sure if that guy report it back.

    I have seen people saying stuff of their guitars on the FB group with some issues, but I have seen them asking for a PM to address the situation and to fix the issue. I havent seen them ignoring it.

    If you were comparing an Ibanez prestige vs the Hype maybe that could be a turning point?, but for a Iron Label dont think so

    Either way quite a few ppl here already with NGD in 6,7,8 strings, so up to the OP to check those and ask them. For me due to specs, and colors the Hype wins every time. As for QC it would be up to you to decide as the Iron Labels are not popular in this forum for that, but in my experience I havent encounter any "bad" one at any guitar shop
     
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    I agree with you on that... I would go the ormsby as well, and literally this week told a guy at work who had an RGIF7 on laybuy to move to an ormsby due to QC. The only reason I commented is to make a point that even perry's QC will miss some, not that they're bad guitars by any stretch.
     
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    What I'm saying is that the fretboard edges look like they've been chewed on. They aren't level at ALL, and you can't fix it because you can't add timber that isn't there. Granted it's been a only a very small sampling of the overall amount, and I'm not trying to insinuate that if you buy one, you'll get a jacked up board, but at what point during this "rigorous QC check" does that get let through and deemed acceptable? If one of the major selling points is the additional QC stage and inspection, how is that slipping through? It's glaringly obvious. I've seen 4 or 5 with boards like that, from both run 1 and 2.
     
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    I've seen just about every GTR pic that's been put in here and on the FB group - there was one that had a reflection that made it look like there was a problem, but the OP corrected that opinion.

    Can you point at these "4-5" with bad boards. I'm interested because obviously I'm missing it in these posts.
     
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    mod edit: if you bring in drama from other sites / forums you will get banned... you said your piece now move along as you're starting to look like a troll with an axe to grind
     
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    Don't really have a horse in the race because these things are out of my price bracket for the foreseeable future........but isn't this the part where you stop talking and produce proof of said flawed fretboards?

    Without it, this is all talk, and the guy has every right to be concerned, given that all it takes for a builder's rep to take a hit is an unsubstantiated claim repeated enough folks take it as a given truth.

    With it, the guy's rep takes a double hit for shoddy stuff getting thru supposed hands on QC AND trying to bully it away.......
     
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    GTR, hands down. It's in a different league altogether from an Iron Label or Premium. I don't think it's an unfair comparison to throw the GTR line up against a Prestige. The Prestige neck will likely be thinner, but the GTR's neck will be smoother and (IMO) comes in much cooler finishes. And that you get to have a say in the specs (though WG made headway on that front with Ibanez).

    Out of curiosity, were those "chewed" edges from the top of the fingerboard where the clear-coat landed? I believe that was Perry's official diagnosis, and that aligned with what I saw on my own guitar as well. The FB edges were rounded over to make it more comfortable than a hard edge, and it feels quite nice but it's not a surface that's intended to have a finish on it. If you spray a clear coat on a surface that's not prepped for finishing, it's going to make any unevenness more apparent. That hardly seems like a glaringly obvious QC failure. Scratched finishes, rough fret ends, mis-aligned fret markers... those would fall into the obvious QC failure category in my mind.

    Realistically, it's difficult to gauge the quality of an instrument just from pictures online. I get that you're just relaying what you've seen and your impressions, and that's fair enough. But I'd recommend actually playing a GTR to get an idea of the quality. Hopefully as they reach more dealers in the future, it'll be feasible to actually try them before buying.

    *note: I see that the mods have intervened here. Feel free to remove any of this if you feel I'm adding fuel to a fire rather than contributing to a legitimate discussion.
     
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    For the record:

    Oracles is connected with Wired Guitarist/Guitar Porn.
    He instigated a mass pile on within our GTR fb group over a 'chewie' fretboard, which was refuted by the owner. This didn't stop their continued claims of QC issues, which always ramp up again as we prepare for a new preorder release (today).

    We have shipped over 500 GTRs now. Only one return/refund (we are paying to return it plus reimbursement of international shipping and taxes and a full refund), funnily enough, an ex guitar porn/wired guitarist mod.

    Thank you mods for seeing it for what it is.
     
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    oracles Australian in Canada

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    Connected with sure, but my comments here are my own and aren't reflective or indicative of any thought or belief of anyone else over there. I'm a volunteer, entirely unpaid, I have no stake in it besides being someone who approves join requests and cleans up spam. Hardly "connected", but sure.

    I'm not really sure why you feel as though you're some sort of victim here Perry. Everyone puts put a guitar with an issue here or there, you're not immune to it anymore than any other builder is. You and I have had a chat about this before, and I thought it was amicable. Calling me out in a public thread is a bit childish and insecure, don't you think?

    All this aside, I've said what I wanted to say in this thread in the comments prior, and held my tongue per the mod's request. Not sure why you thought it was necessary to come in and try to rekindle something that was left well enough alone.
     
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    I removed Oracles real name. Both of you are done now or you'll both be gone. We are sick to death of builder / Facebook drama on this site and it will not be tolerated. You've both said your piece, let it go.
     
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    I'd love to try a Hype. The only fan fret i've ever tried was an acoustic one at the store and I didnt really get a feel for it during that short time.
     
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    I have a GTR 7 sitting right next to me. It's absolutely the best value there is. The pickups aren't hot enough for me, so I'll probably right them out of my Goliath 8 when it comes in and send them to Guitarmory to be rewound.
     
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    I own a SX7 pronto from run 1, and I'm VERY impressed with it. I've got everything from Agiles on up to KxK/OAF/Skervy, etc. The SX7 I have is on par with Carvin, quality wise, and is an awesome deal. They're way higher quality than the Agiles, Gary Kramers, and other South Korea builds I've had. You're not going to get the full cap of cool lumber, etc, but you're not spending 2500-3000 either. I'd pick the GTR every day of the week. Eventually I'd like to get an 8 string GTR, but I have no idea what I should get, since there are so many different choices coming out. But I'm not remotely concerned about the quality.
    Really, though, for me it's not about how likely I'll get a high quality instrument. I've been burned so many times, at this point I'm FAR more concerned with customer service. I'm a pretty easy going guy, but I hate getting jerked around by stores/luthiers who don't think I'm important enough to listen too. If Perry weren't so on top of doing whatever necessary to keep his customers happy, I'd steer clear. But all indications show he'll jump through whatever hoops are needed to make the customer happy. Kind of like the old school Carvin. So for me, it's one of the few places I'd consider ordering a guitar from.
     

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