NGD : the essential little black ..... guitar !

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  1. 77zark77

    77zark77 SS.org Regular

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    Just got that Charvel model 2
    A great actor of the golden 80's era
    A lot of dings and scratches all over the body but if needed, just to remember that a varnish is also a protection
    Great little axe !

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    To Charvel experts (advice wanted) :
    The tremolo has been replaced obviously, all specs say it's a '87 except the "TM" on the headstock
    My thoughts atm is that's a very late '86 but all comments are welcome !
     
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    pott SS.org Regular

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    Not just the tremolo, but also the locknut.
    Model series all had a behind-the-nut lock; it started when the 86 models had the Kahler fulcrum tremolo (with the M4, M5 and M6s having the more normal flatmount Kahler), but even after moving to the more Floyd-like JT6, they kept the Kahler nut.

    So if this looks it didn't have the locking nut in the first place, it was a model 1 on which the Floyd and lock nut got added. Or else an M2.
     
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    yep the locking nut has also been changed (the obvious thing you only see when someone else tells you about !)
    And the trussrod cover is glued !!!!

    I was so much in a hurry (/excited) to try the new pickup that I missed that point ! :wallbash: and :lol:
     
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    Those frets look ginormous!
     
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    Dawn of the Shred Sweeps and Chugs

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    Congrats man!
     
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    I'm so hyped to see all this Charvel posting lately! HNGD.

    On a side note, is that an Ibanez pickup in there?
     
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    Yes, it's a V8
     
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    Charvel model series are great guitars. I used to have an 86 Model 4 that played fantastically.

    What is really interesting on yours is the trem modification. The 86 Model 2 would have had a licensed Kahler (non-locking?) trem while the 87-88 would have come with a JT-6. The JT-6 versions could directly swap in an OFR while the Kahler would require extra routing.

    What's interesting is that both versions had non-recessed trems. From your pics, the new trem is recessed, which means whoever made the modification had to carve our the routing for the baseplate and the locking bolts. This is a not insignificant change by itself but the neck pocket would also have to be changed, if I remember correctly.

    Non-recessed Floyd style trems are usually built with a slight angle to the neck, so that the fretboard is no longer parallel to the body. This is also used on many guitars with tune-o-matic or flat mount Kahler bridges. However when the trem is recessed into the cavity, it lowers the height of the strings and makes the neck angle no longer necessary. Adding neck angle can be done by adding a shim to the bottom of the neck pocket. If the neck and pocket were designed for angle, get rid of it might be more difficult.

    I'm bringing all of this up because either the mods made were more significant than you would think or this guitar isn't/wasn't a stock Model but rather a parts mutt. I'm not familiar enough with the body/neck of these guitars to make that distinction but the guys at the JCF forum might be able to help you out if you are interested in figuring out exactly what you have there.
     
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    thanks for the infos

    I also thought about a possibly rerouted (and refinished?) '86 body.
    But what bother me is the 270xxx serial + "TM" on the neckplate
    that would say "late '87" ???

    Do we have here a '86 neck adapted to fit a '87 body ?

    I keep investigating
     
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    you know the whale and her calf
    Here is the guitar version :

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    Congrats man!
     
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    Let's go a little further ....

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    Very nice!
     
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    All black + white pickups is always a good choice. Congrats.
     
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    Dang do I remember those. Killer guitars.

    Back in the day I was a Kramer and Ibanez guy. I had a Stryker 100 that sounded immense, and a first year RG-550 that I never quite got along with. I had a couple of friends that went the Jackson and Charvel direction - one had a 1987 Model 4 and a (IIRC) 1988 Model 6. The other got a killer job over the summer and ended up with a pair of Jackson Soloists.

    I'd never admit it then but I wished my RG played like the Charvels. Even more so when they came out with the Predator.

    Thanks for the trip down memory lane, cool score!
     
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    now looks like a german or Belgian combination ?

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    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWEsome!
     

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