NGD: ESP B8

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  1. Two Panthers

    Two Panthers B8 Bomber

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    Technically, I did not make a proper NGD, and the pictures that my nephew took weren’t the best, so I took some new photos because it seems a lot of people like to see, share, and get ideas from other guitarists.

    For example, I couldn’t satisfactorily spec a custom 8 string for myself, and that is largely in part because of the Stef B8.

    I may have said this before but Stefan Carpenter has had a lot of different signatures with ESP for over 20 years, and I always had my eye on them because to me, ESP is the premier luthiers in the world. Of course, that is a personal opinion, and it bears no weight whatsoever on anything past my own taste and purchase.

    Since the B7, the 7 string neck through with EMG 707, came out back in like 2000 or so? If someone has more historical knowledge on Stef’s models, please chime in, but I can remember for ALMOST 20 years, definitely at least 15, I have been eyeing and eyeing the ESP signature page.

    Something else I may have said is I’m not a Deftones listener. I have now started to like them, but I wasn't familiar with their work before getting this guitar, so at least I also learned about an awesome band as well. However, I am an SSO listener; so I read and read and after so many threads, the Fishman Fluence thread sealed the deal for me in terms of a quest.

    First, I bought an SRC Fluence set just to see if the reviews are right or wrong, and who to listen to and who not to listen to. Most reviews tend to be nonsense, but I found two that are great examples of a good review disguised as something average and a terrible review that appears to be awesome

    Now this guys isnt the best player or technician, but he doesnt pretend like he is either, and most importantly, his verbal description is very accurate, whether he plays well or not, he definitely hears well, but some may say its a “meh” review because hes not playing like Tosin

    Now these two schmoes sound and look like they know what they are talking about, but besides the chubby one having some chops, their review is absolute nonsense and I also think their “EQometer” is a load of horse shyte...what’s funny is the player doesn’t have much to say but the skinny dude who doesn’t play at all is so descriptive, but this is a great example of a nonsensical review that sounds/looks good because the player is alright, but don’t listen to a word of this [almost Tosin Abasi propaganda, like he’s the only thing worth trying in the entire fishman fluence line?]

    I was really wary of the set, but I got a brand new 7 string and installed it into my Ibanez. It sounds amazing. Like, until I got this 8 string CS, my favorite pickups on earth were the Fluence SRC set. Now I love all kinds of pickups: Dimarzio Tone Zone/Air Norton or Piaf Pro, Lundgren M7/m8, EMG 81/85, LAce Deathbucker/humbucker, Dimarzio Blaze, SD SH4/JB , to give you an idea.

    For me, the Modern Fluence set sounded amazing, but the SRC set is more scooped like the 81 profile, so I was very very happy with the bright scooped clarity of the pickup....so I then really started to have GAS for the 2016 updated B8 as they replaced EMGs with Fluence

    Finally, it was a day of celebration, my “name day” really, which is kind of like a birthday but more important in my culture, to some. I was given a choice of whether to order a custom shop or to buy an already made production guitar, price was the limit, more so than anything else.

    For the life of me, I could not come up with anything to spec a custom for myself that I didnt already see in the B8. Actually, what made it slightly difficult to decide was the price, because the B8 street price is $4k usually. In any case, I noticed Nick @ the Axe Palace had the B8 (2016 version) in stock, and I contacted him.

    Maybe more importantly than anything else, let me say Nick (@zimbloth) and Victor at the Axe Palace are the best shop I have ever had the pleasure to work with. I have to partially thank SSO for that too, but again, BIG shout out to Victor and Nick, as they got the guitar to me overnight! I wouldnt and wont buy a guitar from anywhere else in the world now. In fact, after reading the boutique NAMM thread, if I don’t order from one of those small shop luthiers in the other side of the world, I am going to order another ESP Custom Shop through the Axe Palace, because not only do they work quickly and have good Customer service, they are one of the few, authorized, real-deal dealers.

    This is important to me, muy importante- and it should be to you as well. Ebay and reverb have been getting a lot of scammers selling very, very good Chinese knock off counterfeits. With the Axe Palace, you know you are paying for an authentic, certified ESP Custom shop. (So please remember that when I make my next order Nick lol)

    I have been scammed (and actually harassed by said scammer Adam Howard and his people who work a lot on reverb and SSO) who’ve called my 75 year old mother and my wife in the middle of the night) too many times in the recent past that I couldn’t live with myself if I bought a fake ESP Custom, or if I sent my money to a luthier in Australia and in 12 months, nothing shows up and the email bounces back, or worse - a monstrosity shows up (which is worse as I ordered a custom neck once and I was so shocked at the wood they sent me that I had a panic attack upon opening the box) and in these covid-19 times with money being tighter I wasnt going to take a risk. So it is the Axe Palace for me from now on.....

    I couldn’t spec a better guitar, mock up a better design, or out create the wonderful creation and development that has become the 2016 revised B8. While it is not a personally designed custom shop, it feels like every bit as one to me, and I wound’t change a THING about it, and I really mean that in all truth, otherwise I probably could’ve waited for another axe....

    For all those who’ve wondered as I did - the Middle Hum sounds just like a lead pickup, but barely, barely noticeably different from the neck, in fact, i would say theres no difference except that it allows/encourages you to pick past the pickup, like the bridge - which adds a little attack obviously but nothing to sully a clean lead, and I think these are the best pickups Ive ever heard, to me.
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    Fishman Fluence SRC Signature
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    Fishman Fluence SRC Signature
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    A lot of you have congratulated me but you deserved some real pics!
     
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  2. WillyTheMLGPro

    WillyTheMLGPro SS.org Regular

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  3. Two Panthers

    Two Panthers B8 Bomber

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    I don’t follow Willy? What is that meme?
     
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    WillyTheMLGPro SS.org Regular

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    Basically just means your guitar is hot as hell
     
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  5. Two Panthers

    Two Panthers B8 Bomber

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    Thank you Willy. I thought you were doing a “Smack the nut” for the nut buggin me
    But i appreciate it nonetheless, and take it easy
     
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    Apex1rg7x Agent of Chaos

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    So it was YOU that bought this...damn you!! Haha, Jk. Great choice man, I have the Red Sparkle 608 and wanted this B8 badly but couldn't justify the price difference.
     
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    That's a gorgeous guitar. I really wish they'd make a couple of these with a true baritone scale.
     
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  8. Two Panthers

    Two Panthers B8 Bomber

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    It WAS me lol! Only took me a decade to pull the trigger, but Nick made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

    [BTW I’m sure the LTD is an excellent guitar, but I also couldn’t outspec a custom shop and ESP had one ready to go at the Axe palace, so I said, oh well, 2 birds with 1 stone]
     
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    Congrats man!! That’s one nice looking axe!! (I’m annoyed I just said “axe”)
     
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    zimbloth Nick // Axe Palace Vendor Forum MVP

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    Thanks again man I appreciate it!
     
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    What’s ‘true’ baritone scale?
     
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    28.5"-30" I've been playing ERGs for 8-9 years now and I can't get anything I like on the F#/E and lower strings with a 27" scale unless I put stupid huge strings on it and then the intonation is a fight.
     
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    dm coming!
     
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    HNGD. Having owned a 28” Schecter Hybrid, which had a great neck for an 8 string schecter, but the actual length wasn’t right, it just was not enough to justify going up one inch to the loss of high string over tension

    29” is actually quite great, but nothing sounds like the M8M 29.4”....Ive heard there are even longer scales now from small cheap companies, but Ibanez got the “tone” for djent PERFECT with the M8M but its only a rhythm guitar

    27”, as Tosin as shown, IS the perfect middle ground, you get enough tension on the low end and the high strings are actually just as comfortable as a 25.5” , actually i enjoy the string spacing and the feel of the 8 string neck very much at that length

    I was looking to get that same model with the $1k LTD, which I hear is very close in quality and feel and better color choices honestly lol

    And now they have the 20 year anniversary with a SLANTED neck pickup so go figure....they should have put that on this custom shop if you ask me

    But honestly, the Oni scale is what has really made me think multi scale is the way to go for ERG 8+ strings, 26.5” although i dont like that for the high end, to 29.1” is pretty damn close to the meshuggah ....just hope the pickups are intense enough because i dont think id want to alter an Oni, Thaeon would def advise against that lol ;)
     
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    valkyrie SS.org Regular

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    I always wondered about this setup...How does the "middle" pickup sound in the role of a regularly placed neck pickup? do you prefer the sound, or is it just inconsequential?
    edit: read the OP, question answered

    regardless, any ESP NGD is a happy NGD indeed!
     
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    That is one sick axe! Congratulations!
     
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  18. jephjacques

    jephjacques BUTTS LOL

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    Always loved the Stef sigs but the middle humbucker was murder on my picking finger. This thing is killer though, HNGD!
     
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  19. Two Panthers

    Two Panthers B8 Bomber

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    Yes, dude, you have made that point - like twice before. It feels like a compliment and a slight at the same time...

    Like are the ESP LTD Carpenter models great guitars? Absolutely. From what I have heard, they are possibly the best value for today’s brand new high mid-range quality in the way that Ibanez used to be, and particularly the SC-607 or SC-608B are REALLY great guitars for the price....

    You also totally are right, maybe they SHOULD or could have offered the slanted neck pickup, but then what would be the selling point of that new guitar? ESP is known for their slanted neck pickups, so that is not just an anniversary, it’s a tip of the hat to the old ESP style. It had to be different, or “extra special” if you want that admission? Also I think you once mentioned the reverse headstock looked better on the previous edition, but I like the upright with 8 strings as the 7 string model does look good with the reverse headstock, but it would be too much on an 8 to me.

    For what its worth and transparency, this was made in the Tokyo, Custom shop in December 2018 - meaning this guitar was probably started either in 2017 or 2018....two full years away from this new model, so I can’t justify me buying an “old” signature to have the new 20 year anniversary specs

    Anyway, LTD owners can probably attest that the middle pickup is very much like a neck, oddly. To my guess, its because it is a humbucker instead of the usual single coil. The spacing is odd, that I will say now without question. The issue as was raised is sometimes the pick will strike the pickup, causing me to “make sure I didn’t hurt” my B8...but I’m sure that’ll go away as the eventual dings and nicks that come from playing will appear

    I’m still babying it - but again man, thank you, but I do not doubt the exceptional quality of this custom shop [versus the production models], as I regard this as basically someone else’s custom shop....And this is this second custom shop ESP I’ve purchased, although the first was very long ago and it was actually stamped “custom shop,” where as this has “signature” stamped....

    Thanks man. Yes - the middle Humbucker is weird. I only saw it once before on Ace Freheley’s custom LP, but Ace isn’t known for his tone or his dynamic playing hehe. So, referencing it is difficult, but it really depends on your picking and your attack. Because I play many different guitars and also a flamenco, I am used to changing my picking hand from fixed [on the bridge], to anchored (like Petrucci/Michael Angelo), or my favorite is to rest my hand on the strings in order to pluck staccato [Al Dimeola,for example, Vinnie moore, as well]

    So when you are picking in that way, you are picking past the pickup, so it will sound like there is a pick attack, especially if you pick hard. If you play anchored or fixed on the bridge, then you may play right above the pickup, in which case, again you may hit it, and that is why Victor at the Axe Palace lowered it a bit, so as to avoid striking it while picking, so it can cause some annoyance at first. But once you get used to it, you can play with the attack on how a lead sounds, so sometimes this actually gives the solos a new presence, hmmm - almost like a clarity with the softness of the neck,especially because it is Alnico and its very very clear, and smooth. The pickups really have captured my attention, along with the rechargeable USB, its so cool (and it glows in the dark lol, so silly, but it gives what is a very “basic” guitar something very unique when it happens) .... Again not only am i babying the guitar, I’m being a real baby about it as well, like I’m in love with this axe as if I customized it from ESP myself, and I really don’t think I could be much happier with another one I added a pickup to.

    Thank you!

    Yes, I know what you mean, but if you can adjust, it offers unique tonal options, especially with the new Fluence set he updated this model with in 2016.

    Thanks again, and if anyone wanted to know anything about the model, feel free to ask, as I’ve been curious about it as well, so I had to get it instead of spec‘ing out another custom.....and if you have questions about the pickup thats fine, but I do ask anyone who has played the LTD version to also chime in too..

    THX AGAIN
     
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