NGD: 33" scale baritone with 29 frets

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  1. AltecGreen

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    I wanted to put the new CITES exemptions to the test so I bought this used Seed Kotetsu that I have been wanting from Japan.

    Seed is the import (i.e. Chinese made) line for Sago a boutique maker in Japan. The model is the signature for Machiya (Shin Oumura) of Wagakki Band and ma:ture.

    This guitar is a 839 mm scale (33") baritone with 29 frets tuned BEADF#B. The trick with this guitar is that if you capo at the fifth fret, it becomes a 25.5" scale guitar in standard E tuning. You can change tuning on the guitar by just moving the capo.

    There was not a single CITES issue. The Japanese were way ahead and many companies and proxy services sent out notices ahead of the Nov. 26th date to let customers know they could ship rosewood after the 26th. No issue on the US side. The guitar was picked up 12/2 (Japan time) and arrived today so about 4 days.


    This guitar was well packed.
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    P90, single coil humbucker arrangement
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    Very clean for a guitar that was listed as B+
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    The fretboard and fretwork is very good. Nice rolled edges and clean frets
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    Markers at the fifth fret
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    A comparison with my basses
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    A comparison with my guitars
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    This is a Chinese made guitar which is not something I usually buy. But....the Sago made (Japanese custom shop) version is north of $6K and a special order requiring Japanese to navigate. The build quality is rather nice for a Chinese made guitar and better than the Korean made Ormsby I sold recently. The guitar played perfectly needing a bit of tuning although I'll have to adjust the relief and action a bit due to the climate differences between California and Osaka. FOr a used guitar that was listed as B+, the guitar appears essentially new. The only minor issue is that it was missing the usual tools for the guitar but someone had put Schaller locking pins in which is something I usually do anyways so I call it a wash.

    The guitar is fun to play and it looks like the CITES issues are gone for now. I have been noticing a lot more listings from the various Japanese stores on Reverb so I think they are happy to be able to ship rosewood again.
     
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    That neck is insaaaaaane. Very cool. This must need custom strings though, right?
     
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    The strings are listed as 10-46. I'll find out this weekend when I change the strings and do some minor relief and action adjustments.
     
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    Thaeon Cosmic Question Asker

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    I'm interested in how this one sounds on the open strings.

    Second, what's the guitar with the set neck next to your Mayones?

    Third, we have very similar taste in fiction.
     
  5. AltecGreen

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    Here's the demo video for this guitar.


    The guitar next to the Mayones is a Zerberus. It is the Tauros #2. I don't think there is a #3 and #1 is very different than mine.
     
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    What's the experience like capoing it?

    I've never actually heard what it sounds like to capo as a means of changing the tuning, only in singer-songwriting contexts where they don't leave the first 3 frets
     
  7. Thaeon

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    Wow, the top on the pictures I'm seeing of your's is gorgeous. And I'm not generally a fan of wood grain on guitars.
     
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    I just found my capo. I put the capo at the fifth fret and it sounds like a standard 25.5" scale E tuned six string. The extra frets allow you to change the key both up and down. It's pretty cool. I was able to change it on the fly like in the video from E standard to D standard.
     
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    That's wild. Love it.
     
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    Love it & great video demo from the Japanese dude. China will soon take over the world in guitar production. They already own a fair chunk of my country:rant2:
     
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    Wow, that is cool. The pickup selection is mad! P90, Single and Humbucker.
     
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    Love it. Congrats! :yesway:
     
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    Wow...I can’t believe how long that neck is. I think it looks pretty cool, love the white. Nice collection too by the way. :yesway:
     
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    That’s the coolest thing ever. Ridiculously long neck, three different styles of pickups, and not insanely priced. Sign me up!
     
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    I saw this (or a similar one) for sale a while ago. It looked really cool! I'm glad it ended up being awesome.
     
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    This is just so damn cool. Congratulations, and thanks for posting. I had no idea this guitar existed.

    Regular D'Addario strings are wound to a full meter, and I'm pretty sure a few other companies do as well, so it shouldn't be a problem given the headstock size and hardware type.
     
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    Two used ones popped up this week on Digimart.

    The long neck allows you to use 10-46 strings. The tone is different than say a 56 low B on a seven. This is really fun and different to play.



    I started looking at the Sago Custom shop version which has a 5p roasted maple neck. But then you see the ¥684,200 price tag.

    White
    https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag056.html

    Black
    https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag057.html

    The alternate design with a different body and pickup arrangement and a piezo
    https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag055.html
     
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    That guitar is awesome...especially with a Floyd.:)


    ;>)/
     
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    Sweet concept

    Two concerns:
    1) Can you capo a locked Floyd on the fly, without tuning or adjustment?

    2) 29 frets, no inlaid markers?
     
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    Man, all the lines flow so well for this shape. I really like how different headstock looks from the front/back. HNGD!
     

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