New 2 Channel Rectifier? - Badlander

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Worse than no MIDI is that the gosh darn footswitch jack is on the front like some cheap lunchbox.

This ain't wrong. Hate it when Mesa does this.

 

[Thaeon]

It's a simple 2-channel amp so all you need is a MIDI relay switcher like the one Suhr offers.

Also yeah @KnightBrolaire is spot on. People are shocked that an amp thats supposed to sound like a boosted recto... sounds like a boosted Recto.

I have one. I just hate programming relays. <waaah>

 

[narad]

Worse than no MIDI is that the gosh darn footswitch jack is on the front like some cheap lunchbox.

That's just the usual 2-channel recto thing:

 

[StevenC]

That's just the usual 2-channel recto thing:

MW>3ch>2ch

 

[Vince]

MW>3ch>2ch

I can't get onboard that at all. The Rev C-F Rectos from the 90s are on a pedestal to most recto guys. The MW Rectos just nail everything right and IMO are the best ones made up to now. The 3 channel ones from the 2000s are great amps, but unless you buy a triple rec, the clean sound is lifeless and boxy.

 

[Vince]

I have one. I just hate programming relays. <waaah>

Most mult-effect pedals do it now. HX Stomp, HX Effects, Boss MS3, Fractal FM3, they can all do this.

 

[gunch]

Someone tell me about how/why the single and tripple rectos came to be if the duals were always kind of just there?

 

[DudeManBrother]

Someone tell me about how/why the single and tripple rectos came to be if the duals were always kind of just there?

Dual Rectifier is named because it has the option of tube or diode rectification. They are 100 watt heads. The single rectifier is diode rectified and 50 watts. The triple is a bit of a misnomer because it’s only got 2 options for rectification like the dual; but it is 150 watts and calling it triple helps to easily differentiate from the line.

 

[sakeido]

Dual Rectifier is named because it has the option of tube or diode rectification. They are 100 watt heads. The single rectifier is diode rectified and 50 watts. The triple is a bit of a misnomer because it’s only got 2 options for rectification like the dual; but it is 150 watts and calling it triple helps to easily differentiate from the line.

I think Dual and Triple refer to the rectifier tubes... the big ones in the back next to the power tubes. Dual has 2, Triple has 3. 5U4GBs or something like that. The single Recto must be called that because it only has a single rectifier option. Sneaky.

 

[Hollowway]

It will be a bit less tight and aggressive at 50W

Right, but my question is why would I want to do that? It’s not for volume, as you said. If I’m turning off two power tubes, but everything else is the same, the amp should sound the same, right? I mean, until I push it far enough into power amp distortion territory. My understanding of a 50W vs 100W amp is that the 50 watter has a smaller transformer and other component differences that will make it sound different from the 100 watt version. But in a head that can do either, I’m just not sure what to expect. I would think I’d have to get the volume up pretty high to hear a difference in the power amp. But maybe I’m underestimating that.

 

[protest]

Dual Rectifier is named because it has the option of tube or diode rectification. They are 100 watt heads. The single rectifier is diode rectified and 50 watts. The triple is a bit of a misnomer because it’s only got 2 options for rectification like the dual; but it is 150 watts and calling it triple helps to easily differentiate from the line.

This is the correct answer. It was just a way of distinguishing between wattage, but the Single had only one form of rectification (diode no tube) and the Dual has both forms. The Dual was the first version, and was named because you could choose between the two types of rectification.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Right, but my question is why would I want to do that? It’s not for volume, as you said. If I’m turning off two power tubes, but everything else is the same, the amp should sound the same, right? I mean, until I push it far enough into power amp distortion territory. My understanding of a 50W vs 100W amp is that the 50 watter has a smaller transformer and other component differences that will make it sound different from the 100 watt version. But in a head that can do either, I’m just not sure what to expect. I would think I’d have to get the volume up pretty high to hear a difference in the power amp. But maybe I’m underestimating that.

There's no set point that you get more power section coloration, it's ever present, even at lower volume.

Obviously if it's set whisper quiet it won't be as apparent, but at real volume there will always be a difference.

 

[Shask]

Right, but my question is why would I want to do that? It’s not for volume, as you said. If I’m turning off two power tubes, but everything else is the same, the amp should sound the same, right? I mean, until I push it far enough into power amp distortion territory. My understanding of a 50W vs 100W amp is that the 50 watter has a smaller transformer and other component differences that will make it sound different from the 100 watt version. But in a head that can do either, I’m just not sure what to expect. I would think I’d have to get the volume up pretty high to hear a difference in the power amp. But maybe I’m underestimating that.

My JCA100HDM has a 50w / 100w switch. When you flip it to 50w it is like all the depth disappears. Like turning off the loudness button on a stereo. It is pretty noticeable even at low volumes. Flip it back to 100w, and it kicks back in with depth and fullness.

 

[narad]

So now I understand the single vs. dual vs. triple, but I'm still lost about badlander. Is it a bad lander, or a badland-er?

 

[Thaeon]

Most mult-effect pedals do it now. HX Stomp, HX Effects, Boss MS3, Fractal FM3, they can all do this.

I don’t use an MFX processor. I don’t like them. That said, I have a Rivera Headmaster. It has a couple relay ports. Again, I just don’t like programming them. If I got this amp, it wouldn’t be for live anyway. I’m primarily a Diezel guy.

 

[Boris_VTR]

My JCA100HDM has a 50w / 100w switch. When you flip it to 50w it is like all the depth disappears. Like turning off the loudness button on a stereo. It is pretty noticeable even at low volumes. Flip it back to 100w, and it kicks back in with depth and fullness.

On my ENGL Savage SE when I flip triode/pentode mode there is nice volume difference (not huge!). Just enough that it works perfect in combination with master volume to have great whisper quiet tone. And for live volume it does make tonal difference so this could be also looked as some additional tone option. Why not.

 

[narad]

More vids out.





Actually, damn, just watched the Fluff vid and it sounded awful. Exactly how I wanted to see it -- 6L6s and boosted, but...dammn.

 

[4Eyes]

I haven't seen demos yet, but I already have kind of mixed feelings about it. What's the point? Should it be more modern, tighter version of good ol' Recto...with EL34s? with funny name? that looks like Recto for grandpas - vintage knobs, diamond plate on marshall like head shell? meh... just do it the right way - 2ch Recto, with channel cloning and modern features like built in reactive load and IR loader, serial FX loop and midi.

 

[protest]

So now I understand the single vs. dual vs. triple, but I'm still lost about badlander. Is it a bad lander, or a badland-er?

Ba-dlander

 

[cwhitey2]

The new Lark guitars video is better, but it still didn't really produce any tones that I would use. Maybe it's the cab they are using