Damend, I just receive an email with my invitation for the FM3 (Joined the wait list on January) and it wil be ready in one month...
I don't know what to do, if I buy the FM3 or wait for the QC..
Not that of an impressive list for a launch. But if the quality is there, it's a decent start I guess.
Neural would be wise to heed a lesson from this thread. It's the thread for their product, and it's evolved into a dozen recommendations for their competitor instead because we:
1.) Don't have physical product to discuss, and all the conversations you can have about marketing and a spec sheet have run their course
2.) I don't care what anybody else says in here, I sounds like shit. There are innumerable clips of modelers from other companies out in the wild and first hand experience to go from, these videos are literally all we have to go off of right now and they sound like ass, address this.
I'm not saying the QC is sunk but I have a hard time believing they don't lose steam and have even most people on the preorder list to these awful priories. I know I personally got on the FM3 list instead of this one because I had more confidence in the Fractal just because I saw them actually shipping and sounding good. This is the time QC orders should be going up, not driving people to their competitor.
The device is not even released on anything but paper and you are already doom and gloom? They have already said that there will be YouTuber videos as well as product videos explaining the unit coming in the upcoming weeks as the first ones get sent out. While their current product videos have failed to impress, I hope at least 3rd party ones will show how it is in practice.
Meanwhile the Fractal FM3 is close to unobtainium 1.5 years after it was first revealed and 8 months after it started shipping. It seems to have a bunch of issues as well as not getting any better development support than the AX8 did, trailing noticeably behind the improvements the flagship Axe-Fx 3 gets even in terms of just bugfixes. IMO Fractal made some bad blunders with the design of the FM3 with the lack of headphone out on first iteration and having only 3 footswitches when there is clearly room for 5-6, which would let you avoid buying the very overpriced FC footcontroller for best integration.
My expectation is that the Quad Cortex is on par with the other units on the market soundwise and is just more fun to use due to the touchscreen and knob/switch controls. I'm not on the preorder list and I think I will wait until next year to see any initial quirks addressed with firmware updates. Hopefully by that time the BluGuitar Amp X is also out so I can choose between the two.
but the clips are ass
I'm not "gloom and doom", it'll probably get better after release but they're not a cheap unit, so losing $1500 here and there because you took too long to get to market, or worried people on what they were gonna get when it finally did ship, is not an insignificant number. I'll bet you right now they've lost at least $50,000 to $100,000 just from bad marketing videos in this thread alone.
Also, the FM3 is "unobtainium" for exactly the reason you knocked them, because they were as quick as possible to get a version to market even if it was likely to change by second wave. Nobody got off their FM3 preorder because the first one didn't have a headphone jack, or because updates were limited (it's still very early in the revision cycle).
Fractal was very good with discounting depending on circumstances, and they were good with making changes; like the addition of the headphone jack which shows listening to customers, which is feedback you don't get if the product isn't out in the market. Also, of course the Axe3 is going to get firmware updates pushed to it more often considering it's the flagship model and also more substantial hardware, it's secondary to rejigger a software update to work with the lighter device and also a lower priority. How many firmware updates have QC users gotten? None cause nobody has any.
I said it already, Neural should've pushed a handful of early releases to people on their list, even at a substantial discount knowing it was beta stage. The whole reason why FM3 is backed up right now regardless of things like the headphone jack on first release is because having even some of them in the wild showed the potential, so the outside observation was "this is great, would be better if...".
To be fair, modelers are notorious for having shitty presets. Helix ones are borderline unusable for example, and its stock IRs suck pretty hard. Considering that Neural did a really good job with their VSTs, I think it's unlikely that the modeling part will be bad.
Imo, a far bigger concern are the usual teething problems with these sorts of products - it's their first modeler and it's a pretty complex piece of gear. Anything can go wrong. Hopefully everything will turn out fine, of course, but honestly, I'm just flabbergasted by people who are hyped as hell to pre-order it. Though I guess it's just a budget thing at the end of the day. Hell, people pre-order video games for $60, and end up being paid (not in the correct way) beta testers.
They haven't lost anything. Even those on the preorder lists have not even paid the full price for their units! I haven't seen people getting off the preorder lists either. You also cannot even buy the unit anywhere but US where you can join the Sweetwater preorder if you did not join the preorders earlier this year. You are asking for content for a product that is not finished and not released. It remains to be seen if NeuralDSP manages to ship the intended preorder quantities in an orderly fashion and how they fare getting the units after that to retailers.
They are just now ramping up to getting video content out there close to the preorders shipping. I can understand them not wanting to send an unfinished unit out there and then get flack for issues with that. IMO they should not even have been at NAMM early this year because the unit was so clearly incomplete and buggy.
Fractal don't really need to do much marketing for the FM3 because the tone you will be getting is pretty much known. They can just say "it sounds exactly like the Axe-Fx 3". Their issue is actually delivering the product more than anything and it seems they just don't manage to do better despite having this exact issue for years now whether it was Axe-Fx 2, AX8, Axe-Fx 3 or the FM3. I guess being "so desirable that you need to get on a waiting list" is one business strategy.
The FM3 is hard to get because people buy them. People buy them because they’re awesome.
The QC has some very cool stuff in terms of hardware and UI. That stuff seems better than the current units on the market including Fractal and even Line6, but that’ll be meaningless unless they get the sounds right.
Who’s the target audience for the QC? Recording folks? Live gig folks? Both? I’m still wondering if you can disable or minimize an amp’s power section. I’m also wondering if it’ll sound and feel as good as the FM3. I’m skeptical they can pull that off (it’s a tall order) but I’m reserving judgement for now.
Agreed, although I'd add the caveat that one of the demos that scared me the most is this most recent one with Kiko and a dude dialing it in by hand at a recording desk. A suhccessful musician and one of the engineers sitting in a million dollar studio tweaking it and still sounding like hot garbage is not confidence building.
Bear in mind the FM3 costs 1266eu and the Quad Cortex costs 1599.
The FM3 has over 250 amp sims, the QC has less than 100.
The FM3 (pretty screen and other trinkets aside) currently offers better value to me.
I own one and am very happy with the tones and the current videos for the QC are sub par.
I'm in tier 1 and currently a nice new ESP E2 is looking like a pretty tempting alternative.
They need to get good video demos out soon.