Neural DSP teasing something new (Quad Cortex)

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  1. Deadpool_25

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    On the Kemper:
    I haven’t used one, but it seems to me if you want realistic EQ interaction a modeler like AxeFX makes sense. But so many people dial in their amp a certain way and leave it there (especially gigging artists) that a profile that doesn’t really react well to EQ changes would be fine (EQ at FOH for venue-specific adjustments).

    On modelers sounding thin live:
    In my experience (as a person in the crowd) it’s not an issue if there are cabs on stage. Plini was going direct through FOH and also going into a 4x12 powered by a PowerStage. Sounded phenomenal and quite powerful. There have been other examples that sound great with AceFX as well: Sithu Aye, Scale the Summit, Periphery, Intervals, etc. All were using some stage volume.

    I’ve also had to move away from the stage at other shows because the real amps were blowing my face off. I remember an assigned-seats show where I REALLY wished Robben Ford would turn that Dumble down lol.
     
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    nightlight SS.org Regular

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    That's my experience with the powered Kemper as well. Through studio monitors, it sounds awfully refined and a bit sterile. But through a cab, it's almost like an amp - a bit more refined and not as ballsy, but you can get the same amp in the room feel.

    On the other hand, the crowd loves the hi-fi through PA sound more than a beamy guitar cabinet, so always good to have a combination of both, i.e. cab for stage, line out for PA.
     
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    Elric SS.org Regular

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    Only the Neural plugins Can be loaded to the QC. It is not some hardware VST loader. Some people seem to think it is for some reason.
     
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    That is why I could never get into plugins, or even using modelers through monitors and headphones. Very uninspiring, and flat sounding/feeling. It sounds like a recording of an amp, instead of an amp. I have almost always used my Axe-FX through a poweramp and cab for this reason.
     
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    The nameless plugin through monitors sound surprisingly massive little effort.

    I'm really looking forward to the unit but I wish it had a power switch.

    IN the neural dsp live q and a didn't they say something about the latency being 2.5 milliseconds? I wonder if that is perceivable when playing.
     
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    budda Guiterrorizer Contributor

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    And yet its always the recorded tones of amps that people chase.

    I was going to keep my 412, til i had to move it. My back deserves the break :lol:.

    Obviously there's many ways to tackle tone. If I find myself longing for an amp in the room tone, I will probably downsize the cab :lol:.
     
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    A Mesa Boogie Thiele with an EVM12L is a good inestment. Love mine with the powered Kemper
     
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    Same as every other modeler, not very noticeable.

    Da fuq, thread about Quad Cortex in Fractal Audio's forum got deleted. It must have been a total dumpster fire in there.
     
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    I'm pretty sure you mean you wish it had a hardware power switch, but it does have a software/UI power switch according to @Doug Castro. I'm not sure how that correlates for actual power usage and such.

    2.5ms should NOT be perceivable. If you're playing through a real amp/cab from 8 feet away, you'll get 2.5ms of "latency".
     
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    Maybe. The Quartex seems like it will be a real threat in terms of modeler market share, so I'm not overly surprised they'd dump that thread even if it was perfectly civil and logical. Which, even though I hadn't seen it, I'm 100% sure it wasn't lol
     
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    Someone must have whispered FM3.
     
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    Thread was in the lounge section which is for all kinds of off-topic discussion, reason for deleting it seems biased.

    UI power switch? How it works when powering on? If some of the footswitches or volume knob is made to do that.
     
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    Yeah two hours with a Kemper just scrolling through presets and it became obvious that the profile is the profile and EQ beyond one or two “notches” in either direction hurt more than helped.

    Fantastic for finding profiles you like and then just sticking with it (what I wanted).

    But if you like to tinker? AxeFX, Helix, this neural thing potentially is going to do more of what you want.
     
  14. HeHasTheJazzHands

    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    If the Neural can have accurate profiling AND somehow have a way to emulate the EQ/Gain controls of the specific amp (pipe dream I know, but if they do it... :lol:) I don't give a shit about how cheesy their marketing is, this would be a Kemper killer.
     
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    DudeManBrother Hey...how did everybody get in my room?

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    That would be an everything killer :lol: Doug himself said, in that live QnA, that it’s totally unrealistic to spend the programming time to create an EQ like that, as it’d be millions of data points. It sounded to me like he was implying a general static EQ would apply over the capture, just like the Kemper does. Using the touchscreen parametric EQ looks like it’d be dope though.
     
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    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    Yeah it's what I assumed. Too many variables, especially where you have EQs that can have single controls that influence the entie section (see: Mesa Mark and Recto). But one can dream. :(
     
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    Yeah. I like to be able to dial in tones using traditional controls (GBMTPR etc.). I don't need or want the depth of control the AxeFX gives which is one reason I sold it. The appeal of the NDSP plugins (I have the Plini) is that they sound great out of the box and have a relatively limited selection of choices. If you want to tweak something the controls are simple, intuitive, and even graphically familiar.

    I've said it would be cool to have a simple piece of gear that would allow me to run Archetype: Plini through my amp's FX loop. Along with that, I'd like to have some more tradional sounds. Not a lot; maybe Plexi, JCM800, and some nice Fendery cleans. This will do all that (and obviously a lot more). If they stick with their norm of keeping the options down/reasonable and having super high quality sounds, this will be great for me.

    Additionally, I hope enough consideration is given to those who want to run either their whole signal chain, or part of it, through a real amp FX loop. Doug said on the Q&A that they're considering separating the preamp and poweramp sections of the models for this purpose so it's at least a topic of discussion.
     
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    Seems like Fractal is getting nervous. They deleted the Quad Cortex thread on their forum!
     
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    Correcting myself, I think 2.5ms more equates to 3 feet.
     
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    @Metropolis mentioned that a few posts up. I think it's perfectly reasonable from a business point of view, OT forum or not. Biased? Yes, certainly. As they should be.
     
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