My palm mutes sound thin in E standard

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  1. willy25

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    If I go to drop D, the palm mutes sound fuller, thicker and close to the original songs. But in E, it’s just thin that I can’t get close to Bands like Metallica, dream theater, pantera etc.. I’m using 9-42 gauge on my Strat ( Hss) and 10-46 on my les Paul. I have the same technique issue with both guitars.
     
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    Are you boosting your mids? Generic EQ changes may be needed when changing tunings and I much prefer boosted mids vs the sound with mids cut.
     
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    Where you palm-mute makes a difference too; try it closer to the bridge in standard tuning.
     
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    Try further back towards the bridge, relax your palm a bit, and really dig into the strings.
     
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    Changing the attack angle of the pick, especially with Metallica material, will make a difference.
     
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    No offense, but this thread -- both from the OP and the suggestions -- is a bit useless without video. Having video to make suggestions to the OP will be much more useful. Without video, we aren't sure where or how your picking hand is doing what it is supposed to do. It could just be an issue of needing a little more bass from the amp, or it could be an issue of not having the right pick angle, picking hand palm muting location, etc.
     
  7. Turd Ferguson

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    What kind of pick are you using? Thin and flexible or thick and stiff?

    (Before anyone gets smart, I said what kind of PICK). :nono:
     
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  8. willy25

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    Well in drop D it sounds fine, my pick is not straight but in an angle to go trough the strings, I’m using Nolly plugin lots of low end. Maybe I just like the low String being lose in drop D?
     
  9. willy25

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    it’s a jazz 3 Xl pick
     
  10. Turd Ferguson

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    Could be. I usually play a half step down & have one guitar tuned to C. When I pick up a guitar in standard tuning it sounds (to me) like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
     
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    If this is the case you can obviously just get a different string gauge. I personally like somewhat loose tension.

    Regardless D just sounds heavier than E in my opinion. You don't have to tune lower to be heavy and tuning lower won't automatically make your music heavy but.....there is a bit of truth in there somewhere imo.
     
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    - Start with palm mute near middle pickup position. Chug low E chord while moving palm mute back towards bridge. There's a sweet spot in there. Pressure of hands, how hard you pick and pick type, amp eq/volume etc. all matter.

    - If you're doing everything right and still don't like it then maybe it's strings gauges, pickup hieght, amp settings etc. If you've exhausted youself trying everything and still don't like it then maybe you're just a a drop D person. But standard worked great for all those other bands you like so maybe it's good for them but not for you.
    - Keep at it. You'll find the sweet spot.
     
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  13. willy25

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    Lol Alvin and the Chipmunks
     
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    True maybe I’m just a Drop d person. I just tried a schecter with active pickups, gauge on that one are 10-46 and still having the same issue lol
     
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    lower tunings do sound beefier but there's not THAT much difference between drop D and standard to have this night and day type difference you're describing unless its just your sweet spot for pm-ed tone that clicks with your ears.

    I personally like beefy if not bassy tone for pm chugs which is where 5150/clones really shine no matter the tuning.

    never used Nolly, have Nameless suite - it has plenty of bass but is defo more modern sounding with more in-your-face type chugs, defo responding better to lower tunings/erg - compared to a more of a subtle "pissed of teenager mumbling insults" lol type sound I get with a 5150 out of the box regardless of the tuning.
     
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    I don't think the 42 strings chug very well. The 46 works much better for this. That is one main reason why all my guitars tuned in E have 9-46 strings on them.
     
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    wow 42 strings! ...46 strings! You playin' a harp?

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    I'll show myself out. lol sorry
     
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    Lighter gauges sound tighter, so if you want deeper / thicker palm mutes, bumping up the gauge a bit helps.
     
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    erdiablo666 I'm from Canada...and they think I'm slow...eh

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    Get a fatter palm. Eat some sausages.
     
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    A less heavy sound helps to play better music so maybe this is not necessarily a bad thing. If chugs sound too good it's easy to end up just chugging instead of playing interesting music. So really there can be an advantage to a weak guitar sound.
     
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