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Discussion in 'Luthiery, Modifications & Customizations' started by nicomortem, May 2, 2014.
i like the idea of 24 TET as a conversion if only for the sake of being able to keep your normal fret positions and 12 TET abilities, but I'm scared of those mandolin frets at the top How's that working out for you?
The high frets are much easier to play than most people imagine. Some of the frets are so close together that you have to press down two frets at a time, sounding off the highest of the two. I've posted a few videos up on this forum that show guitar leads all played in the upper register on this and also a 6-string 24-tone guitar. Here is a link to the thread with the most recent of them, you can see what I mean starting around the 01:53 mark.
Damn that's outrageous It's cool to see that the holding two frets to play one note doesn't create too much friction to have killer bends and vibrato.
That is crazy sounding. I love it.
I noticed in the second picture that a few of the slots are slightly too angled, too close together or too far apart, are you noticing any significant discrepancies in the accuracy of the notes due to that?
Which slotting tool are you using?
I've seen it before somewhere , maybe from StewMac..
All my conversions are slightly "off" but this one is the closest I've come to making the frets perfect, the first 2 pics are of the miter box that I had to build which cost over $200, but still not perfect like it might be using a table saw or chop saw to do it. It is incredibly difficult to cut these fret slots absolutely perfect by hand, especially when they are so close together and the slightest deviance looks that much more obvious. As far as intonation goes, I haven't had any issues with it, especially when it comes to the higher notes. I suppose that the distance is so miniscule that the difference isn't audible, it just looks like crap though. Still, all the music I make with this sounds in-tune and I haven't had to worry about it, and when I play the guitar, any standard chords that I play on the added frets sound just as in-tune as they do when I shift the chords to the original frets.
I meticulously measure and re-measure, and I make every effort to make my cuts as accurate as possible, but I still come up short, I don't know if I will ever be able to do these perfect by using a hand-saw. It's very discouraging and embarrassing for me, but luckily it hasn't ever caused any problems with playing the instruments.
I bought the miter box from StewMac for around $160 but I had to modify it, it is made to slot frets on a fingerboard before it goes on the neck, and I have to cut my slots on the fingerboard while its attached to the neck. This thing really helped but the frets are still not perfect.
I can surely understand the difficulties of fretting an existing neck. Thanks for the info
Just to be naughty, I guess you've already seen Tolgahan Çoğulu's adjustable microtonal fretting mechanism:
More on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolgahan_Çoğulu, which of course has links to his website.
Nico- wow, that's nuts!
Van- wow, that's more nuts!
are there scales that feature microtones? like C## haha if not lets make them!!!!
Buts that's just the D.
Jokes/music theory aside, this is really cool. Every time I've heard microtonal stuff, it just sounds weird and doesn't make any sense to me. But your video was really awesome and sounded outta this world!
This is super impressive. I feel like I want to spend a six month period only listening to microtonal stuff to train my ear to accept it.
So glad I can come on here and have my shit listened to by fellow guitarists, and appreciated. If it weren't for you guys, nobody would ever hear/see anything I do. Thanks.
I'm so glad I can come on here and listen to shit by fellow guitarists and appreciate it. If it weren't for you guys I wouldn't get to hear raw creativity outside of production music. Thanks.
c## is after C# but before D! see its in between!
E,E#,F,F#,gb#,G,G# and so on! we can double the notes haha
I realize this says microtonal trumpet but its pretty universal. I felt it might be relevant to this thread.
This link about the trumpet actually shows a way of writing out the notation for quarter-tones, goes right along with what you are saying about the "C##" concept It's all a bit confusing, and the tab isn't much easier!