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Why wasn't there a good guy with a gun on that rooftop?
Yeah, this opened up a whole new perspective on the good-guy-with-a-gun idea. How could anyone hit the guy, unless they had a rifle with a scope, and time to set up? I just don't understand why people are against even the minor inconveniences like background checks.
 

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I sure wish media would stop posting the identity of these crazies online/tv. The dude’s face was posted online within an hour. They are just making a buck and inciting more violence.
 

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Yeah, this opened up a whole new perspective on the good-guy-with-a-gun idea. How could anyone hit the guy, unless they had a rifle with a scope, and time to set up? I just don't understand why people are against even the minor inconveniences like background checks.

In a situation like what happened today in Highland Park, part of me feels as if it could've been even worse had there been some untrained and unrestrained "good guy" involved. And I very much doubt that there would've been any fewer victims. I don't even like the thought these days of a cop safely taking out a threat much less some suburban redneck. I would feel less safe in almost any given situation with twitchy-eyed Red White & Blue Bob from Home Depot feeling like today's the day to be a hero. That's not how we reduce gun violence. I hear if you buy a kids meal at Burger King, you can get some kinda hat and a prize. Go do that. And if we happen to run into each other at the convenience store... you can go first. I'll wait outside till you've gone. I'll take my chance without you pissing fuel onto a fire.
 

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In a situation like what happened today in Highland Park, part of me feels as if it could've been even worse had there been some untrained and unrestrained "good guy" involved. And I very much doubt that there would've been any fewer victims. I don't even like the thought these days of a cop safely taking out a threat much less some suburban redneck. I would feel less safe in almost any given situation with twitchy-eyed Red White & Blue Bob from Home Depot feeling like today's the day to be a hero. That's not how we reduce gun violence. I hear if you buy a kids meal at Burger King, you can get some kinda hat and a prize. Go do that. And if we happen to run into each other at the convenience store... you can go first. I'll wait outside till you've gone. I'll take my chance without you pissing fuel onto a fire.
Yeah, I don’t understand the idea of the good guy with a gun being the solution. I mean, I’m fully aware that there are instances where a good Guy with a gun DID take out a shooter. But there are loads of situations where good guys with a gun do not, or cannot. And you’re right - there’s a real worry when people who are THAT motivated to shoot someone else are on scene. That’s asking a lot of someone, in terms of judgement, collateral damage, etc. I mean, we can’t even get cops - trained professionals - to follow their training and take out the bad guys consistently. How is RWB Bob going to? I’ve yet to be presented with evidence on how this idea will work. But there’s plenty of other countries that have restricted guns and reduced deaths.
 

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Not to go off topic but notice how suspect in mass shooting arrested without incident and 90 rounds fired over a traffic violation for a black man in Ohio.

That country can't be reformed. Nuclear war is what we deserve.


Edit: not just America but just our entire planets destroying greedy society is just hell on earth for so many
 

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I sure wish media would stop posting the identity of these crazies online/tv. The dude’s face was posted online within an hour. They are just making a buck and inciting more violence.

Why? What additional violence was incited?
 

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Hot take: The reason why Republicans are so resistant in creating or enforcing gun laws is not due catering to NRA or gun lobbies interests (with huge campaign contributions) but an elaborate plan to tackle mental health issues in the US. They know their constituents are not going to accept a reasonable way to improve access to mental health services that will cost money and make them look like "dirty, rotten, no good socialists". So the situation has to reach to such a critical point so they can swoop in and start investing in that, reluctantly of course, but they'll eradicate the cause of mass shootings. Guns would be of course still there, but since there won't be any "crazies" out there to empty magazines in unsuspecting civilians. Right? Right?
 

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Why? What additional violence was incited?
Against poor defenseless guns.

We're like three whacky congresses away from declaring firearms people.
Most people on the street can’t name 3 signers of the Declararion of Independence, but I’m sure they can name 3 mass shooters.
Media makes these crazy people famous. Other crazy people see this coverage and fame, and decide to go the same way.
 

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Most people on the street can’t name 3 signers of the Declararion of Independence, but I’m sure they can name 3 mass shooters.
Media makes these crazy people famous. Other crazy people see this coverage and fame, and decide to go the same way.

The fact there are more mass shooters a quarter every year than the number of people who signed the declaration probably has something to do with it.

It's just a bullshit deflecting argument. The shooter is the problem, not whatever associated "fame" you think they get.

I think its important to see who is doing this and why. But that makes ammosexuals uncomfortable, because it's supposed to be monsters, literally boogeymen, not someone who they see themselves in.
 

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Most people on the street can’t name 3 signers of the Declararion of Independence, but I’m sure they can name 3 mass shooters.
Media makes these crazy people famous. Other crazy people see this coverage and fame, and decide to go the same way.

I remember one of the Columbine shooters' last names... the others I'm not sure I ever learned.

So sounds like pretty tenuous logic, both in how much people pay attention to these guys in terms of who they are personally, and in how that connects to other shootings. There's so many shootings that even if you take the leaning that all attention is good attention, no single shooter occupies enough of the media's attention these days to matter.
 
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(...) no single shooter occupies enough of the media's attention these days to matter.
... it's like all new bands searching for their radio air play and spot at the sunlight of fame...!

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Honest question here, how many of these mass shooters have/had known criminal record? Like how many of these were known violent criminals? Please answer with percentage values. My bet is way bellow 30%...
 
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