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Not only CAN, but MUST

The amendment DEMANDS the creation of regulation and further emphasizes that it cannot be light or symbolic

You must have magic reading glasses that have evaded historians for decades.

Anyone who is immensely popular in Florida is the wrong choice to lead the country.
He isn't popular on Florida. He is definitely wrong for any office.
 

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You must have magic reading glasses that have evaded historians for decades.


He isn't popular on Florida. He is definitely wrong for any office.

Wdym? The amendment literally INSTRUCTS the government to regulate militias.

In plain English.
 

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Wdym? The amendment literally INSTRUCTS the government to regulate militias.

In plain English.
Come on, you can't call other people illiterate in one thread and then try to die in this hill.

It says "A well regulated militia". It doesn't say government regulated. It could simply mean a militia with a hierarchy or command structure.

If your argument was that the wording leaves open the ability for the government to regulate to whatever extent they chose, then you would be right.
 

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Wdym? The amendment literally INSTRUCTS the government to regulate militias.

In plain English.
Read Scalia’s opinion on Heller, so you can understand it better. Militia membership is unrelated to arms possession and bearing. There are 2 clauses in the legal text, a prefatory clause (right to militia) and an operational clause (right to own and carry farms). If you really want to get deep into the mindset of the founders, the federalist papers are a good place to start. There are other Jefferson writings that are also helpful. Madison was heavily influenced by Jefferson in the writing of the Bill of Rights, which is essentially a document that protects citizens from a tyrannical government. The entire document is based on a fundamental distrust for the federal government. The second amendment is no different. Madison wrote this amendment to set a line in the sand, that this right is not given by the government to the people, but it is a natural right. It is the last line of defense for the American people against a tyrannical government.
 

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Anyone who is immensely popular in Florida is the wrong choice to lead the country.
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Trump has been the only president in history who had any association with Florida.

I'd say that Desantis has no chance, but I honestly thought that neither Trump nor Hilary stood any chance...
 

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Read Scalia’s opinion on Heller, so you can understand it better. Militia membership is unrelated to arms possession and bearing. There are 2 clauses in the legal text, a prefatory clause (right to militia) and an operational clause (right to own and carry farms). If you really want to get deep into the mindset of the founders, the federalist papers are a good place to start. There are other Jefferson writings that are also helpful. Madison was heavily influenced by Jefferson in the writing of the Bill of Rights, which is essentially a document that protects citizens from a tyrannical government. The entire document is based on a fundamental distrust for the federal government. The second amendment is no different. Madison wrote this amendment to set a line in the sand, that this right is not given by the government to the people, but it is a natural right. It is the last line of defense for the American people against a tyrannical government.

One dead conservative's opinion does not close the book on the nature of the constitution
 

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One dead conservative's opinion does not close the book on the nature of the constitution

No, it does not. It just highlights how open to interpretation the text is, and anybody claiming a 100% accurate reading is misguided.
In both directions.

The real issue is that the document itself is grossly outdated, and like the other excuse of a book in Conservatives' libraries, it's cherrypicked willy-nilly to justify asinine policies.
 

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No, it does not. It just highlights how open to interpretation the text is, and anybody claiming a 100% accurate reading is misguided.
In both directions.

The real issue is that the document itself is grossly outdated, and like the other excuse of a book in Conservatives' libraries, it's cherrypicked willy-nilly to justify asinine policies.

If you throw common sense out the window, sure. Constitution says to regulate the damn militia well, maybe that's referring to divine oversight by Haysoos, and maybe "militia" actually somehow means letting friendless loners who don't know anybody except their estranged mother buy machine guns

CLEARLY
 

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If you throw common sense out the window, sure. Constitution says to regulate the damn militia well, maybe that's referring to divine oversight by Haysoos, and maybe "militia" actually somehow means letting friendless loners who don't know anybody except their estranged mother buy machine guns

CLEARLY

Don't get me wrong, I am far from supporting the conservative reading; but anyone can claim that the two statements are unrelated and easily get away with it. Or that "regulated" is subject to interpretation. Whether we like it or not, you're just not going to make progress with that line of reasoning, especially when the other side has demonstrated that bad faith is their modus operandi.
And the proof of that is right in front of us. We have just not made any progress.
 

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Shit like this is why there should be a death penalty with no appeals. No one is afraid of consequences, clearly.

Be a fuck head and do shit like this and go to prison, maybe have the police kill you but yolo anyways... Man killed someone over a fucking sandwich and critically injured another. And the (hopefully) surviving employee's kid had to see it? The guy should get cruel AND unusual punishment.
 

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If you throw common sense out the window, sure. Constitution says to regulate the damn militia well, maybe that's referring to divine oversight by Haysoos, and maybe "militia" actually somehow means letting friendless loners who don't know anybody except their estranged mother buy machine guns

CLEARLY

You can join a regulated militia in your county. Most places have one that you can join and train with. However, they will expect you to provide your own firearms and gear to train with.

Also, the ATF prohibits the purchase of "machine guns" by regular citizens. Civilians can only purchase rifles designed for civilian use, like the AR-15.
 

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Shit like this is why there should be a death penalty with no appeals. No one is afraid of consequences, clearly.

Be a fuck head and do shit like this and go to prison, maybe have the police kill you but yolo anyways... Man killed someone over a fucking sandwich and critically injured another. And the (hopefully) surviving employee's kid had to see it? The guy should get cruel AND unusual punishment.
Whoah, there...

I know that appeals are often used to drag out the sentence, but the courts here are so fucked that I'd never trust them to get it right the first time.

The last thing we need is a bunch of innocent people getting executed just because the cops are lazy and care more about passing a case off to the prosecutor than actually solving it and also because the juries are more interested in going home and going back to work rather than sit dozing off in a court room making $6.25/hour.
 


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