Logic is everything, if you guys weren't foaming at the mouth over your gun confiscation rhetoric you might see it. You might see that gun control doesn't affect the habits and actions of criminals. Common sense prevailed in NY as well, don't you love it?Right. I think there's potentially little-or-no value in saying that a particular solution won't work, but offering no alternative idea. Maybe we've been trying to reason with people like @AMOS and getting nowhere, because logic has little value to them. I'd say, though, that, in the absence of a better idea, persistence might be the only hope.