Lend me your noise supression knowledge

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    so, i'm still trying to find out the best way to use my NS-2 in combination with my fireball.

    this is my current signal chain:
    (I have only tested on really low volumes since the amp is still at my appartment)


    guitar -> NS2 in // NS2 send -> modded TS7 -> Fireball input // FX-loop send -> NS2 return // NS2 out -> FX-loop return

    (loop mix is at 100% wet)


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    this way, the amp stays as quiet as with the clean channel when i turn it up (without playing, just for checking hum). All noise coming from the guitar when not playing is also supressed.

    Is there anything wrong with using this in the fireballs parallel loop at 100% wet?

    My intention was to run the fireballs pre through the loop of the NS2 to also eliminate preamp noise. I guess my question is "can i use the parallel loop at 100% wet as a serial loop, or are there any disadvantages/problems?".
    Preamp noise on the dist channel starts coming when i turn the loop mix below 100%, but is absolutely quiet at 100%. If the entire signal weren't beeing sent through the loop then i would still have noise, right?
    I don't notice a volume difference between the listed setup and running directly into the input without any effects.


    thx a lot!
     
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    Try option number 3 :agreed:
     
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    what do you mean?


    what i listed is actually all just one wiring setup


    i think i'll edit it to make it clearer
     
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    Sorry, I didn't see that before :lol:
     
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    :lol:

    np, dude :yesway:


    i made a quick sketch to make it clearer
     
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    Rick ALL HAIL DJOD Forum MVP

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    That's your guitar? :lol:
     
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    nice, ain't it?

    it's my new custom
     
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    is the FX loop series or parallel?
     
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    The FX loop is parallel and has a mix control that goes from 0 to 100% wet.
     
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    don't engls come with a ns built in?
     
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    AFAIK, the powerball, invader and SE do

    the fireball doesn't



    anyway, i also picked up a g-major yesterday and am currently experimenting with its built-in noise gate. I'll probably leave the NS-2 in front of the amp with the TS in its loop and let the g-major's gate handle preamp noise.
     
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    :bump:


    so, after messing around a bit with the NS2 and the g-major's noise gate i've found the following:

    1. the g-major's gate isn't completely getting rid of the amp's hum/hiss whereas the NS2 does perfectly when comparing both put at in between the end of the loop and the FX-return (at 100% wet, of course)

    2. guitar -> NS-2 -> TS -> amp w/ g-major (gate on) in loop

    this seems like the most obvious setup, but it still makes noticeable hum when turning on the TS. Plus, as mentioned, the g-major's gate isn't getting rid completely of the amp's hum/hiss


    the best alternative i've found is to plug my guitar straight into the NS-2's input, and the NS2's output into the FX-return,with the TS, amp's preamp and gmajor (gate: off) all in the NS2's loop.
    this is basically what i posted on the first pic, but with the g-major between the Fx-send and the NS2's return. This seems too complicated and yields a slight cable salad. But i'm not hearing any noticeable tone sucking or coloration this way so far.

    Still, this seems way too complicated to be right :lol:

    what do you guys think?

    will a hush-c or a second ns-2 in the loop w/ the first NS2 just between the guitar and TS work better?
     
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    Dude ns2 in the front only and live with the hiss, you will totally kill the feel of your amp with all of those gates. The ISP rack unit is supposed to do all of the input and loop gating in one unit. That might be a better option than more cheap ns-2's. If you want to turn your gates off you have to step on 3 pedas? that is rather clumbsy haha...
     
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    yeah i noticed it was too much gating with the NS2 also put in the amp's loop...

    i happen to like the NS2 for what it does in front of the amp. I spent the last 5 years playing line 6 gear and still can't get used to amp hum/hiss :)

    what about the rocktron hush units? these any good?
     
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    I've never run an NS-2 through an effects loop, but I've found that it only works for me between the amp and the overdrive. I think some guides tell you to put it right after your guitar, which I find doesn't work. I don't have any problem with tone loss no matter how high I set the NS-2 either.

    The rocktron hush floor pedal is not good. It has one knob that you have to turn it up all the way to get it to work at all. That and NS2 are the only two I've had and clearly the NS2 is better.
     
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    hi mate

    i have a fireball and use a ispdecimator in the fx loop thats oviously the best place for it ,the isp is one of the best noise gates out there.anyways run the overdrive through the front of the fireball with the noise gate in the loop with the signal 100% wet thats it .

    good luck


    ps the isp is very transparent and wont colour your tone or effect the sustain of your guitar oviously at reasonable gate levels ie 50% .
     
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    tube screamer aside, try this:
    guitar into the ns2 In & Out then in the front of the amp

    Fireball fx send/return with the ns-2 respective return/send.

    that is most likely the way it was supposed to be, and also the same way that the Rocktron Hush Super C & ISP Decimator works.. with the guitar in 1 channel of the hush and the amps fx loop in the other 'channel' of the hush.

    good luck!
    peace
     
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    thanks a lot for the replies!

    i haven't tried this... i'll give it a shot
    i've only tried using the NS2 send to the amp's IN and then the amp's FX-send to the NS2's return, and finally the NS2's out to the FX return
     
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    Hi, just doing a follow up..

    How'd it go?

    Did it work the way I thought it would :hbang: or have you started over? :ugh:

    peace
     
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    Try these settings:

    List the NS-2 in the classifieds and get a pedal that's supposed to do what you're trying to do instead of trying to make it a pedal that it's not.


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