KSR Ceres vs AMT SS-30

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  1. dan the man

    dan the man SS.org Regular

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    Hi all,

    Wondering what your thoughts are on these two units.
    I have an AMT P2 and absolutely love it.
    Making a backup pedalboard in case my 5150 blows up.

    Wish the Ceres had a dedicated eq section for the clean channel,
    but it's less important than the quality of the gain channels.

    Other possibilities include Diezel, Revv, Two Notes, ISP, Bogner, Mesa.
    They all have preamp pedals available, but the KSR and AMT are currently
    at the top of the list.

    Any and all thoughts appreciated.
    Thanks!
     
  2. USMarine75

    USMarine75 Colorless green ideas sleep furiously Contributor

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    I have the AMT... it's really good. It sounds like a great SS distortion (Randall etc).

    The KSR Ceres sounds like a 10/10 great tube distortion.

    I'd go with the Ceres personally.
     
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    Verocity 5150B2, a two channel 5150 emulator.

    If you need a clean channel, you can order the pedal as a Verotwin-Premium which is two of their pedals in one housing. Pick one of their clean amp emulator pedals like their Verocity FVK, Fender Vibro King emulator as the second pedal. They make emulator pedals for like 43 different high gain amps, 4 crucnhy amps, and 7 clean amps.

    Here is a demo comparing the Verocity 5150B2 versus their Rev F. (Mesa Dual Rectifier emulator)




    Edit: very expensive
     
  4. dan the man

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    Any idea how these compare to the AMT pedals? I'm usually a tube snob but those pedals come so damn close to the amps they model.
     
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    HeHasTheJazzHands SS.org Regular

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    The SS-30 is more beefy and middy-sounding. The Ceres is more midrangey and trebly with a tighter, but more "authentic" sound so to speak. Depends on if you want thicc (AMT) or cut/ tightness (Ceres).
     
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    How are you running your P1 if you don't mind me asking? I have it with a amt tube cake into celestion lynchback and it doesn't sound good at all.
     
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    I have not tried the ss30 but recently got an ss20 and its honestly pretty incredible!!
    Sounds massive, has HUGE lows (if you want them) and is just overall very beefy sounding. Has quite a smooth sort of gain character. Very pleasant to the ear.
    Its clean channel is surprizingly chimey and "alive" sounding (rather than flat and sterile) and both channels are SUPER tweakable.

    If the ss30 is at all similar then its a quality preamp option!
     
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    Emperoff Not using 5150s Contributor

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    Yep. Why not get one of AMT Tube offerings? I have the SS-20 and the SS-11 and they are both great for a portable rig. The SS-20 reminds of an Engl and the SS-11B a modern (tighter) take on a recto. They also have analog cab sims that although can't replace a proper IR, they can do the job if shit happens. I did a metal gig in a wedding with just the SS-11 on the floor.

    Although I won't lie. I'm gassing for a ceres as well :lol:
     
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    I never owned an SS20 but judging by the videos, the SS20 and SS30 sound very close. The SS30 is maybe slightly more aggressive.
     
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    I run it into the power section of my 5150, haven't had much luck running into my computer interface.
     
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    Thanks. For some reason, it sounds trebly in my setup. The ss30 didn't sound like that way at all, actually sounded pretty good in my setup.
     
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  12. dan the man

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    Sounds like I should buy both units and sell the one I don't like lol.
     
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    Have you tried a poweramp sim before the IR going direct? it makes all the difference when running a hardware preamp since you're missing that link otherwise.

    Mercuriall Reaxis/Euphoria have them, Ignite TPA-1 if you want it free. Two Notes also has poweramp integration on their suites although I don't like it as much using Ownhammer impulses.
     
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    I have a great experience with with AMT. I have tried three of the Legend 2 series pedals (P2, R2, K2) and thought they all kicked ass. Hold their own against boutique stuff no problem (especially the R2)

    Since you know you like AMT and know their stuff works with your rig, I think you’ll have more success with the SS-30. The dedicated EQ for cleans is also a big plus. There’s one on eBay now for $185
     
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    I have the SS-20, it sounds to me like an Engl that was produced by Randall, if that makes any sense. Sounds quite a bit better than my Legend series E2. I haven't tried the Ceres.
     
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    I must have been listening the wrong demos of the Ceres coz to my ears it sounds nothing like any of the KSR amps. I really wanted to like since I really liked their Gemini Amps..
     
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    KSR amp + boost = Ceres. It's virtually identical. The EQ has a huge range though, so you can make it sound like a trebly mess if you EQ with your eyes instead of ears.
     
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    That would explain why every demo I've heard of it sounds super tight and thin. I'd have definetely prefered if it was made to sound "unboosted" as you say.
     
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    You can still get it there by putting it into the Fat or Thick mode and cutting treble/boosting bass. I don't think I've seen anyone run it that way in videos though. That's how I would generally run it and through the FX loop of a KSR amp it was basically indistinguishably.
     
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    The Ceres is looking like the way to go. Not sure if the Engl/Randall sound from the AMT is going to be what I'm looking for.
    The Revv G3/G4 is also seems pretty temping, although it's giving me Mesa vibes from the character of the distortion.
     

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