Kemper Profiling Amp Thread

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  1. WhiteLightOfDeath

    WhiteLightOfDeath Hidden Sword

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    As a Kemper owner who sold my Green Lunchbox for an Axe Fx 3 (which is ofc the greatest amp on earth and I’m not here to get into that), I think the tones that the Kemper makes are bar none 100% as good as it gets. I mean, I really like the kemper a lot, and I bought it because the tones sounded exactly like the Mesa rigs I was profiling. With that said, I had to sell mine and when it was time to buy it again, I was SHOCKED the price was the same. That was only a little over a month ago or something. So by default, I went checked up on fractal and they DROPPED from 2500 to 2250 shipped without tax, so I said to myself, time to let that little green box go for good.

    I miss it honestly. For plugging into an FRFR atomic CLR and turning it to my dual rectifier, it was an incredible feeling, and I dont have my CLR anymore either to play with the axe, but at the same time its a great machine, as Max said, like a 7620 it stood the test of time without a doubt

    Tones ARE as good, or like 99% as good, as the new axe, which says a lot! In the end it was the price that made difference, it was $1500-1750 I would have bought another kemper
     
  2. StewRacing

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    I have an opportunity to buy the Kemper Stage tomorrow. I am on an online retailers 1st batch pre-order list. I was going to buy my first modeler / profiler anyway later this summer. My salesman who owned a Kemper in the past had recommended the toaster to me sometime ago. I have been working with him for a while now and I do trust his judgement. I wanted a floor unit and sold myself on the Helix after thinking the Axe-Fx was the end all. Information overload in today's world I suppose. I believe the Kemper Stage would cover all my basis just like the Helix would. I play electric and acoustic mainly at home. I would also use the unit in acoustic open mic situations with a few simple effects. I plan to exclusively use the unit as a direct to PA system. I'll also use external pedals with my board. I am chasing the best possible amp tone in a direct application.

    How should one decide on making a final decision. Both units have there advantages. Kemper is about 4" more compact then Helix for open mics. 18.5" vs 22.05". Helix could be easier to use in some examples. Thoughts. Thank you
     
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  3. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    You can't really go wrong when choosing between the current digital flagships (AxeFx, Kemper, Helix). We're at the point where it really just comes down to specific use-case and format.

    From what it sounds like, you'll be more than happy with the Kemper, not that the other two can't do it either.
     
  4. Mr_Marty

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    Meh. Kemper once again does nothing more than repackage their old technology. Same crappy LCD, no scribble strips, nothing new. Meanwhile everyone else is pushing the envelope adding new technology and ideas.

    Don't try to say this on their forum though. The fanboys will crucify you.
     
  5. LeviathanKiller

    LeviathanKiller Knee-shooting Archer

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    No, you'd more likely be banned before the fanboys ever had a chance. lol
     
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    Eh... Fractal are releasing a cut-down version of the AxeFX 3, Line6 are maintaining their Helix ecosystem, but there hasn't been an innovative release since the first Helix Floor, Atomic are doing pretty much the same, but on a baby's first company scale, Yamaha/Boss... I'm not sure what the GT 1000's adoption rate is. I can't find anything online. There are several general report on guitar amp companies' market shares, but they all cost ~4k USD, lol. The katana is obviously killing it, but that's not really comparable to a high-end modeller.

    I'd say Kemper made a pretty good move, releasing a new form factor of their existing technology. To my knowledge it's sold out everywhere, so there's obvious demand. Would I have liked a new, updated hardware? Sure... probably? Depending on what they can actually improve - I've read a lot of opinions, presumably informed, that IRs and monitoring are the biggest bottlenecks in amp modelling right now. I haven't seen anything suggesting the Kemper is held back by its hardware, despite its competitors releasing several generations of new models. People still claim the Kemper is best-in-class when it comes to "core tones" and "feel", whatever the heck that means.

    Now I'm really interested in guitar amp market shares tho
     
  7. StewRacing

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    I ordered my Profiler Stage today. I will have it Friday. It will be my first modeler and or real amp. I always had practice amps and nice pedals. I believe that it is the best core amp tones you can buy in modeler / profiler format, short of a real tube amp. Fractal and Helix have there selling points but Amp tone should come first unless effects dominate your sound.
     
  8. Mr_Marty

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    Kemper has very good core amp tones. Fractal's are better. I say this because I own all three.
     
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    For roughly twice the money in Europe, they damn better be.
     
  10. MaxOfMetal

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    I think it's more subjective.

    I have both as well (just bought Helix Native, but haven't had time to mess with it), and two JCM800s and all four sound and feel fairly different. :shrug:
     
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    Having owned both, my take is that the Kemper is clearly better at most tones, but the FAS beats it for others. If you only play one type of music, I can see one or the other seeming better.
     
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    I've had my Kemper for only two weeks. Two glorious weeks. I used Positive Grid's Bias FX software for years and wish I had bought the Kemper sooner.
     
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    I just want the Kemper remote price to go down more now :)
     
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    Hey guys, looking to grab a Kemper rack in the next couple of days. Selling the Ax8 today and WAS originally going to sell my Sherlock Fathead and get the power rack, but chickened out last night after jamming through a mates Powered Kemper into my cab and then cranking my tube head to compare.

    So I'm currently looking at getting the unpowered rack, using it through my effects return for my next gig (just for onstage monitoring, I'll send a stereo signal to FoH) and then adding either a Martix GT1000fx or a Seymour Duncan Powerstage in a month or so once money is better. I've searched and not found that much great info about how these compare to the built in power amp on the power rack. Am I going to regret not just waiting and getting the built in solution? I like the idea of having a split system in case something goes wrong (don't have to send both off), and also having the option of having stereo cabs if I need it in future. Even the EQ on the Seymour Duncan sounds like some great flexibility, I'm just nervous as they're not SPECIFICALLY designed for the Kemper.
     
  15. MaxOfMetal

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    The power amp in the powered Kemper units is absolutely nothing special. Not saying it's bad, it works great, but playing a powered lunchbox (a friend's) next to my un-powered through a similar FRFR setup and then real cabs and Carvin power amp didn't yield a "better" result.
     
  16. klinic

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    That's certainly comforting to hear. Plus I can customise and fine tune by trying different power amplifiers, so I'm definitely feeling more confident about going this route.

    Completely unrelated, I don't think I've ever asked a question on this forum that you haven't swiftly given an extremely helpful answer to. I've been here about 9 years (very on and off) and you are consistently such an amazingly helpful person and the one name I always recognise. Thank you so much!
     
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    Yeah, I contemplated going with the powered unit, specifically the rack, but I scored a pretty good deal on the un-powered lunchbox.

    Good power amps are a dime a dozen, and if you want to do some interesting stereo rigs there is a plethora of options available, some more expensive than others.

    Luckily, I already had a couple old Carvin and Peavey power amps and a couple powered speakers I use for other gear. The Kemper seems fairly "power amp agnostic" as long as is sufficiently powerful for whatever your use case is.

    I'm happy I can help, dude. :cheers:
     
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    Well, decided to go all in on the Kemper, loving it so far, but itching to get into some Profile Packs.

    Hearing mixed things about the STL packs. My mates got the Northlane pack which I briefly played through and the VH4 tone convinced me to do the switch. Big fan of some of bands Putneys produced for so his pack looks really appealing as well. All the recommendations on the Kemper forums seem to be for vintage stuff though! Any recommendations here?
     
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    KnightBrolaire We need ERG Ironbirds

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    I was unimpressed with the northlane packs. pete turley, sinmix, black stymphalian, liveready those guys all offer high quality high gain profiles ( but you have to pay for them). I'd recommend searching the user submitted stuff first since there's also a lot of really good free profiles out there.
     
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    Really? What about it in particular turned you off? Going through the rigs on rig exchange I've only found a handful of profiles that I like, most of them are too bright and/or bassy. The sample Northlane tone sounds like it's going to sit really nicely in the mix and like it's already had most of the nasty frequencies notched out of it.

    Maybe pickups play a big role, I'm using the Nazgül and Sentient, which might be similar to the pickups used to setup the STL profiles.

    Any free profiles you'd recommend? I'm definitely going to check out the premium options you mentioned!
     

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