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Discussion in 'Standard Guitars' started by Blytheryn, Nov 5, 2019.
Yep. Likely, Jeff would have laughed his ass off at seeing someone so pissed.
That says worse about his character than the one offended by the co-opting of symbols used by Nazis.
People still use these symbols to intimidated and show hate towards actual human beings.
Using them as a stage prop is trashy and tacky in and of itself.
Laughing at those made uncomfortable by those symbols, or more likely the reduction of them to a real life edgy meme.
To be honest i could care less about the whole nazi thing.
I'm not telling him/her they can't be offended. I'm saying that that's the exact reaction he would have wanted and thus... even though he's in the grave is somehow living up to the Slayer name and apparently what he wanted out of life.
I will say that what's funny about this situation is the fact that Slayer is essentially one bad terrible taste joke around 40 years old and they are STILL garnering responses like that, and like I said before in this case, even from beyond the grave.
Does anyone else find it ironic that Lynch's sigs were built in a Japanese factory?
Collecting it and having a fascination with it is one thing. Turning it into imagery you currently identify yourself with is something different altogether. I can understand Jeff's interest in it given the family history. Makes plenty of sense. Putting an SS on your signature guitar is not just historical interest. Marilyn Manson has used some of that to parody culture and make people think. Which I still find questionable. There are better ways of challenging people than making light of one of the greatest atrocities humans have openly committed to themselves.
I am surprised the whole George Lynch kamikaze thing doesnt get people offended like the ss or totenkopf from hanneman.
There have been threads about it in the past, Lynch just isn't as popular here, or specifically in Slayer threads.
The fact that all folks do is chuck other examples of edgelord guitarists into the mix is fairly telling, as if you can't defend their actions default to the whataboutism fallacy.
Again, the joke was tacky in the 80's, trashy in the 90's, shitty in the 00's, and genuinely awful in the 10's.
It's fine that it doesn't bother you. That's cool. But shrugging it off is just as insensitive as it's use to begin with.
You can call something out for being wrong. Jeff was shitty for this. Was he a monster? I don't think so. Do I hate him or his band over this? Not really.
Maybe some Nazi supportes Groups can make a collect and buy them to display on their Meetings room.
It'd be disingenuous to say that going as far as to put Totenkopf/SS inlays in your guitar isn't playing with fire, even in the context of shock value. Hell, even people who genuinely lean that far politically are wary of what symbolism they use, even if only to avoid immediate public censure. Personally I'm not viscerally offended but I would be like "careful now, might be more trouble than it's worth."
It doesn't bother me because I know the intent behind it. It's meant to get a reaction. It's trolling. That said, I also understand why people would be offended by it. I'm not saying one way or another that people should be offended or not, I'm simply pointing out that Hanneman is getting the response he wants/wanted. Do I personally agree with it? No. Do I hate him over it? No, I'm more indifferent than anything. Fact is though, Slayer is and always was a troll band. They made a living out of pissing people off. I will say it wasn't a particularly clever form of trolling. Anyone can sport Nazi shit just to piss someone off and I don't think it was particularly thought provoking either. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't own one of those guitars. One of those Marshall Heads, though?
I mean, I used Lynch as an example because the Kamikaze guitar is equally in poor taste. It's basically glorifying suicide bombing if you want to be reductive. I find that equally as disgusting as glorifying Einsatzgruppen since they were mass murderers.
Of course Jeff was a Nazi.
How do I know?
He openly displayed Nazi symbols.
Something the obvious is obvious for a reason. There's no need for all this "oh he was only collecting this for research" bullshit.
If you play one of those guitars in public, you're basically asking for someone to throw something at you... or worse.
jEfF iS a nAzI
Anything that glorifies the death of anyone is disgusting.
I guess Lemmy was a nazi too.
Must be a HUGE death metal fan.
there's a difference between exploiting real events for pure shock value and glorifying death as a consistent artistic theme though. I say that as a big DM/TDM fan.
I wonder if Rick Rubin knew Jeff was a nazi?
damn guys remember that time Jeff Hanneman put all those jews into ovens?