It's official, a """Pantera reunion""" is happening.

[gabito]

Morbid Angel

 

[Werecow]

Bolt Thrower

 

[MaxOfMetal]

So the Big 40 of Death Metal? I'm down.

 

[gabito]

Yeah.

Carcass too.

 

[akinari]

How are we defining the big 4? Sales or influentialness?

 

[MaxOfMetal]

How are we defining the big 4? Sales or influentialness?

By how much we personally like the band of course.

 

[j3ps3]

What are you even on about man? You're trying so hard to find similarities between Phil and ______ that you're just mindlessly spewing nonsense now. Phil has a long history of this shit. Let's not pretend he doesn't and try to debate otherwise because the facts are stacked against him. Metallica has never had an issue with this. Hell, their bassist for the last 20 years is brown and it's never even come up in conversation.

I mean, I get it if you like the music, but stop trying to defend this clown like you know him. Phil, is and always has been an arrogant, ignorant piece of shit. If you don't see that you're willfully overlooking it.

As far as his apology goes, it doesn't mean shit. He vehemently denied the accusations, even though there is evidence that he wasn't drinking white Russians or whatever the fuck he tried throwing together. Afterwards he apologized for his actions, and then shortly after, went back to being defensive and denying it. Dude literally can't take responsibility for his actions. Again, this is just one example of him doing this type of stuff. In any case, your apologies don't mean shit when you literally go back to making excuses for shit. Apologies don't come with fine print.

So just because I like a band it's okay to throw insults at me? I'm not defending Phil. Not now and not in my past comments. I'm just saying that going "fuck anybody who likes Pantera, those mouth breathing assholes" is hypocritical given the subject we're talking about here. You want to get your point across? Stop insulting people who don't deserve it.

 

[ClownShoes]

How do we interpret this one boys

 

[MaxOfMetal]

How do we interpret this one boys

I mean, having a Jewish, or black, or anything really, friend isn't indicative of anything at all. Good or bad. Which is why it's such a trope in these sorts of discussions.

Not all bigotry is so blatant and all encompassing, I don't think most is. It's more nuanced than that.

So yeah, Scott Ian was his buddy, that's cool. Doesn't have anything to do with him throwing "hard Rs" around like nothing.

 

[ClownShoes]

I mean, having a Jewish, or black, or anything really, friend isn't indicative of anything at all. Good or bad. Which is why it's such a trope in these sorts of discussions.

Maybe he really hated Palestinians?

 

[STRHelvete]

Big 4 of Black Metal:
Mayhem
Emperor
Immortal
Bathory


Big 4 of Nu-Metal:
Korn
Limp Bizkit
Linkin Park
Slipknot

Big 4 of Hair Metal:
Def Leppard
Motley Crue
Twisted Sister
WASP

Big 4 of Industrial:
Ministry
Skinny Puppy
Nine Inch Nails
Rammstein

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Maybe he really hated Palestinians?

I mean, not all Jews are Israeli, so not quite sure where you're going with this but it feels kinda icky already. No thanks.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Big 4 of Black Metal:
Mayhem
Emperor
Immortal
Bathory


Big 4 of Nu-Metal:
Korn
Limp Bizkit
Linkin Park
Slipknot

Big 4 of Hair Metal:
Def Leppard
Motley Crue
Twisted Sister
WASP

Big 4 of Industrial:
Ministry
Skinny Puppy
Nine Inch Nails
Rammstein

This should be carved in stone and put on display somewhere.

 

[død]

Big 4 of Black Metal:
Mayhem
Emperor
Immortal
Bathory

"Big 4 of Black Metal" without Darkthrone, but with Bathory? Unacceptable.

 

[STRHelvete]

"Big 4 of Black Metal" without Darkthrone, but with Bathory? Unacceptable.

Bathory is the reason Darkthrone exists.

 

[ClownShoes]

I mean, not all Jews are Israeli, so not quite sure where you're going with this but it feels kinda icky already. No thanks.

Why? You should oppose the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Its disgusting.

Are you a zionist?

 

[jaxadam]

"Big 4 of Black Metal" without Darkthrone, but with Bathory? Unacceptable.

And the "Big 4 of Hair Metal" without Poison or Cinderella? Completely unacceptable.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Why? You should oppose the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Its disgusting.

Are you a zionist?

I just don't like the implication that if you're Jewish you're Israeli or if you're Israeli you're automatically anti-Palestinian, etc. Just doesn't seem germane to the discussion at hand.

But to be clear, you throw "hard Rs", you're at best incredibly ignorant/disrespectful, and at worst you're David Fucking Duke.

That's the issue I have. Those aren't equal situations as much as some folks would like them to be.

 

[CanserDYI]

Why? You should oppose the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Its disgusting.

Are you a zionist?

Is this the politics thread?

 

[STRHelvete]

And the "Big 4 of Hair Metal" without Poison or Cinderella? Completely unacceptable.

Fuck them. Twisted Sister and WASP