I dunno dude, I love memeing on this site as much as the next guy but I don't think they're the same. The guys that bash the SEs, Squiers, Epiphones, etc all seem to do it out of a lack of respect. I remember talking to this guy and we were hitting it off pretty well, he asked what I played and when I told him my current favorite was my blue PRS he asks "Is it a PRS, or an SE?" and when I said it was an SE Custom 24, I got "Yeah see, that's an SE, not a PRS. That's not an actual Paul Reed Smith, it's a knockoff," and the conversation was over. That kind of stuff. The stuff with the Premiums / Iron Labels and such doesn't seem to be people looking down on those guitars so much as it is just lamenting bad QC. My assessment is that most of the people here actually love the Premiums and Iron Labels, but just wish they were built to a higher standard so that you wouldn't have to deal with build flaws on them. I've never seen anyone refer to a Premium as 'a knockoff,' or anything similar. I guess there's some of that in the ESP camp with all of the branding changes, but even still, none of that seems to be in the same kind of vein as what you see with the dadrock brands.