Ibanez 2021 models (Headless!)

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  1. CanserDYI

    CanserDYI Beauty can't be seen through the eyes

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    I love the new Ichika signature. Super super super cool guitar.
     
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    So, if this parallel fret idea works out to have some ergonomic advantages, how long before boutique shops start offering multiscale with a perpendicular fret at position -3 (negative three would be conceptual, where the frets trend toward perpendicular somewhere behind the nut)?

    It was something I had discussed with a builder once a long time ago, and the two of us agreed that it would have been more clumsy having it at the nut or behind than having it somewhere between 5 and 7, at least for whatever scale length difference we were discussing at the time.
     
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    SpaceDock Shred till your dead

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    This exactly, I only see a Talman. While that is cool for some, I would greatly prefer a more aggressive look like a headless RG or Saber style. What I think would be really great is a much smaller RG body so the bridge is not in a cutout section (like reb beach), then they use a heavy solid body wood to counter the reduced body size weight for balance.
     
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    Doubt you'd need to worry about balance anytime soon without the headstock and its hardware, but not only would a small body look strange, it would probably feel strange and might be tricky to find a naturally ergonomic playing position.

    Not seeing the talman either, except for the color. Actually already has similar lines to an S imo.
     
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    It already is an S -

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    It's got a Talman-esque guard but it's a headless S
     
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    The Ichita video clearly states it comes from the Saber design...
     
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    Ha ... exactly :)
     
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    Honestly hadn't checked it out, just saw the comment and was like "But it already is an S" lol
     
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    Quiet Coil Only obsesses over guitars when not playing them.

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    I’d have preferred an adaptation of the RGD, but I honestly don’t hate this (the vestigial 3rd strap button has to go though).

    I’m really only in the market for a headless multi-scale 7 or 8 at this point - which is part of why I find these frustrating. We’ll see where it goes…
     
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    gunch Riff Chugman

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    I like it but I was just expecting a EHB but guitarified

    Still not sure about those slanted frets
     
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    Thrashman Got Groove?

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    SS.org cracks me up

    guitars with straight frets = Rawr

    25"-32" fans on 6/strings = AMAZING

    25"-28" 8strings = OHHH MY SPLOOOOOGEEEEEEE

    a 7string with straight scale but slightly angled frets for ergonomics = Now THAT is a bad idea


    lmfao
     
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    I'd be willing to give Ibanez the benefit of the doubt on this - I'll at least reserve my judgment until I can try it.

    It's likely a lot of R&D $$$ went into that decision (design looks horrible with the pickguard though).
     
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    The real problem is that company owners like Ormsby or Abasi just invent something is ergonomic like the multiscale with extreme angle at the nut or a goofy looking guitar shape and all the dumb guitar demo people just repeat that claim without thinking about it and so often that it looks like a lot of people are just so brainwashed they repeat that nonsense without ever thinking about why that should be more ergonomic and trying it critically.

    I was very surprised about the comfort of Ibanez EHB and will try out these angled frets now seeing if they feel good to me. Luckily every guitar store sells Ibanez, so it shouldn't be hard to try one.
     
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    That's probably my biggest pet peeve when it comes to the current generation of headless/multi-scale/new-shape guitars.

    You can't just say something is ergonomic because a couple of people find it more comfortable, it devalues the concept as ergonomics isn't necessarily about making things more comfortable, it's about making things safer.

    Even though fanned frets and headless guitar designs have been around for the better part of 50 years, there has never been an in depth enough, peer reviewed scientific study that confirms that either design embellishment makes playing the guitar objectively safer.
     
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    Its funny you said that because the post above is somehow saying angled frets are ergonomics when theres next to no evidence of it is.
     
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    Yeah, it's just a buzzword that's conflated with "comfort". Working in manufacturing ergonomics somewhat the last 20 years, they're definitely not synonymous in and of themselves. :lol:
     
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    Kind of easy to see it was S inspired. I preordered an ICHI10. I am supporting this and love this because they are thinking outside the box of design. Anyone complaining about design, think about the actual development. They wouldn't put it out if they didn't think it would sell.
    If you buy one and they do not sell or lift off then you got yourself a niche piece.
     
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    If you mean my post I didn't say angled frets are ergonomic. I'm actually complaining about people claiming they can't be ergonomic because Mr Ormsby and youtubers always say that angled the other way round is ergonomic without any evidence and totally against my personal experience that says Ormsby hurts my hand. Also when something hurts I think that's the point where it's both uncomfortable and unergonomic but I can also see that things may be comfortable but unergonomic. So I understand there's a difference between comfortable and ergonomic.
     
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    People generally agree that the ormsby fan is a little weird.

    But are you buying one of them slants things or what. I want a review.
     
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    Fans that wide always leave me with the guitar nut in the middle of my left hand when i'm riffing at the low end.

    Man a lot of euphemisms could be pulled from that.
     
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