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Discussion in 'General Music Discussion' started by gnoll, Nov 7, 2020.
People still listen to the radio?
Unfortunately yes It's just convenient to do in the car on short trips. I don't even remember when I've listened to radio somewhere else though, must've been sometime during the 90's...
Honestly, i was going to respond the same thing.
I don't think that people who care about what they're listening to are listening to much radio. Not when youtube, itunes and spotify exist. Radio has never really been about pushing boundaries though anyway - it's about lowest common denominator. I assume most music was chosen on the basis of a mix of popularity and what won't offend advertisers.
I've been listening to a lot of Slaughter to Prevail and I can say they're pretty great. I think their vocalist is insane and they write really catchy riffs, but some of their songs just seem like neverending breakdowns. I think the pursuit of heaviness is kinda pushing modern metal towards mediocrity more than any lack of talent or ability to innovate, just like I feel older stuff had too much of a love of speed.
Crazy? No. It just sounds like you're not a teenager anymore.
It's also easier to spot what cookie cutter someone may have used if you've spent any amount of time bakin' cookies (so to speak). Add to that the fact that the internet plays out pretty much anything the moment it becomes cool and there you go...
This question weighed against the OP gives me the impression that what we're really dancing around is that it's easier to get noticed following the crowd, but it also creates a bargin bin of music. That said, I agree that we should make the music we like to hear regardless of what's available outside our own minds. Maybe one day everyone else will be just as bored with things as you are.
If you like the music you make, it should be enough unless you depend on music for income.
Personally, I think one of the greatest things about music nowadays, is also kinda one of the worst. I can sit here in my room and record a whole album of whatever genre I want, and it's just going to be shit I think is cool.
One of the things about musicians doing something new, especially back in the day, was just trying to play with other good musicians. Like with Metallica, Lars brought his love of NWOBHM to the table so people thought they were playing originals instead of covers, and if I remember right, Cliff taught them a lot of how music works stuff, and all those different influences turned Metallica into the legends they are today, whereas nowadays, Lars would probably have a vinyl channel where he talks about all his obscure records, James would be like Ola or Bulb, Kirk would demo wah pedals, and Cliff would be that one bass channel that youtube keeps recommending me even though the only bass videos I've ever watched are about Lemmy or Cliff.
That's what I think is funny. Metal fashion makes no sense. I have a tank top on, you have a leather jacket on, the bass player has a long sleeve t-shirt, and the drummer is shirtless.
This is more offensive/crude/explicit than 99%+ of "offensive" metal/rock songs:
This track is packed with sexual innuendos and outright blunt at times. Both songs are chart topping and played endlessly on the radio:
When a metal frontman is singing about gore and murder when the most graphic thing they've done recently is prick their fingertip changing strings its just fantasy and lets be honest cringey When a teenage pop star is singing about her sexual escapades thats way more offensive and daring than the other. As much as we adore shock rock bands for singing about sex and drugs they don't come close to either of these two and how 12 year girls can freely listen and sing along to these songs on the radio.
I think it's crazy how "no fucks given" modern pop stars are getting and how its normalised
Sure, lyrics-wise. But that wasn't what I was talking about - I meant the actual music. Yeah, "trying to be as non-offending as possible" was a pretty poor attempt at saying what I meant. Anyway, it seems to me like it's trendy to sound as unexcited/bored as possible... Neither of those two songs happen to be like that though, there's definitely some energy in them at least.
I think this is the double-edged sword of having a niche interest in the social media age. You have access to a whole world of likeminded people who love the same thing as you, but that also leads to you being bombarded by the most popular opinions and eventually start liking the same things and scoffing at the same things that your little internet community does. Doesn't matter if it's metal, watches, gaming setups, social justice, birdwatching or transatlantic balloonry. There's an internet community for it and they WILL eventually influence you with some rules about what is good and what isn't if you want to belong in the group.
If 99% of your audience is gonna be such a community, I think it's natural that you'd start to pander to them more and more out of fear of getting trashed in your comment section. If you even make such a decision conciously at all. It's also hard to be truly innovative if your nerd herd has made you think that using an unconventional preamp or string gague counts as innovation, probably.
Sex is more offensive to you than gore and murder ?!!
Pop culture in the United States has entered the chat.
Depends on the context but I'm saying that as more offensive to the public. Muhammed Suiçmez singing about digging up graves and ripping a corpse apart is just fantasy and any metal fan who even reads the lyrics knows that he is not a psychotic necrophiliac who lives out his lyrics. When Cardi B sings a song aimed at kids and teenagers that's like a transcript from a porn set that is pretty F'd up IMO.
I've seen some pretty horrific things in my line of work so maybe I look at violent lyrics differently. I think something like Kiss or singing about sex through various innuendos vs just out right saying it like modern pop stars would have been a better comparison.
Do you have any examples? I don't listen to much chart music. Unless you mean mumble rap which I can definitely agree on.
That shit isn't aimed at kids until programmers point it at them, though. Unless you mean by the simple fact of being "pop" music its aimed at kids. I just don't see how its any more offensive than anything you can see without proof of identification on the internet. I mean Cephalic Carnage's big single/video from their last album was basically a soft-core porn where the dude's dick graphically explodes at the end, don't remember having to show ID to watch it (when it came out, anyways).
But this kinda OT anyways.
At the end of the day if someone can't find new and inspiring music, that's entirely their own fault and not even kind of indicative of the general quality of music available today. Modern production didn't ruin music, down-tuned instruments didn't ruin music. vocalists in extreme genres actually practicing didn't ruin music. People refusing to move beyond their 10 favorite sounds at the age of 15 ruined music, for them specifically.
I had no idea Muhammed was singing about ripping a corpse apart I guess it would be way more offensive if you'd actually understand the lyrics
Cardi B just does what gives her the most attention. Gorgoroth hangs people on crosses during their shows because people talk about it, Cardi B sings weird stuff about her pussy because people talk about it. From me they all get the same big meh. People being offended is what they want, so don't give them that, just ignore them.
Make people talk about your talent.
I think calling things by the name vs innuendos makes no difference, like the pop song "blow my whistle" vs "wet ass pussy" for me is the same thing. Seing a difference here is prudish in my eyes. It's the same thing.
The difference is 12 year old girls al listen to Cardi, and old sweaty forum dudes like metal
I love Cardi B....but as a person..her music isn't my thing..but I find her adorable.
Times have really changed lately on how people consume music. We all used to scour Myspace and find random bands to add to our top 8. Then it was Pure Volume and Soundcloud... The itunes take over and now streaming platforms.
I think it is harder to find (GOOD/Original) music out of your genre circle now a days because things are very watered down and saturated with the addition of home studios.
Good and bad thing, but it I agree the radio now is mostly trash. Where is the good Alternative music? Tired of Butt rock and the same pop melodies.
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