Long long ago...there was a time, where the drummer actually played the song, and you knew it wasn't edited because were there little mistakes...small things, almost impossible to notice at times, but it proved they really did play the song. Tony live in 2003 w/Nile: Trym from Emperor playing a song from 1997, using technique that would confuse even the most basic drum teacher, is his hand really between his knees?: I'm sure some of you have heard of John Longstreth, there is also a lost video of John playing live with Dying Fetus, the song was "Intentional Manslaughter" and he played it exactly 25% faster. With the older material John played heels down, and didn't use double strokes when playing double bass, this is from 2002: Hellhammer from Mayhem has proven, even recently that he can play acoustically live just like he did back on 1994's De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, but some don't know he in a way went for a fastest double bass record with the song "Anti" in Ordo Ad Chao where you could hear him struggle (I'm pretty sure he using doubles, I think...), and then he went on to even played it live: Tim Yeung on Decrepit Birth's ...And Time Begins from 2003: Where did these kinds of drummers go? People are still playing the same type of music but it doesn't seem like any of the drummers are trying to push any limits. I guess it shows my age, maybe you would have to have more than a few grey beard hairs to understand. Hannes Grossman isn't that 24 year old kid playing on that Necrophagist album in 2004 anymore, we are both almost 40.